From: Trenholm
To: becky,
Subject: Re: ken@americanlandscouncil.org, sjenkins@le.ut.gov,
Date: Tue Jun 17 00:26:52 MDT 2014
Body:
Becky,
 
8:30 AM, August 18
 
Jim, 801-731-4817
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Rebecca Ivory <becky@americanlandscouncil.org>
To: Trenholm <jktrenholm@aol.com>
Sent: Mon, Jun 16, 2014 3:38 pm
Subject: Re: ken@americanlandscouncil.org, sjenkins@le.ut.gov,

Let's say 8:30.  If you need to change it, just let me know.  What's your phone number and I'll have him call you.

Becky Ivory

www.AmericanLandsCouncil.org

Director of Communications
American Lands Council
10808 S River Front Pkwy Ste 334
South Jordan UT 84095   
(801)ALC-6622

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On Jun 16, 2014, at 3:36 PM, Trenholm < jktrenholm@aol.com> wrote:

Becky,
 
I will put August 18 on my calendar and plan on it if Scott Jenkins can make it too.
 
Jim
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Rebecca Ivory <becky@americanlandscouncil.org>
To: Trenholm <jktrenholm@aol.com>
Sent: Mon, Jun 16, 2014 3:27 pm
Subject: Re: ken@americanlandscouncil.org, sjenkins@le.ut.gov,

Ken will not be in town those dates.  August 18th would work at this point.  

Becky Ivory

www.AmericanLandsCouncil.org

Director of Communications
American Lands Council
10808 S River Front Pkwy Ste 334
South Jordan UT 84095   
(801)ALC-6622

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On Jun 16, 2014, at 3:17 PM, Trenholm < jktrenholm@aol.com> wrote:

Becky:
 
I am available from July 17 to July 23 and then not again until about August 13.  I did hear from Scott Jenkins with regard to the letter I wrote to Orme and Fitz at the Salt Lake Tribune.  It was published as a letter to the editor in their Sunday edition.  I responded to Scott and sent you and others a copy.
 
If you and/or Ken have any questions, I would be glad to try to answer them.  And, of course, these are only my opinions.  I have no control over anything else.
 
Best wishes,
 
Jim, 801-731-4817
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Rebecca Ivory <becky@americanlandscouncil.org>
To: Trenholm <jktrenholm@aol.com>
Sent: Mon, Jun 16, 2014 1:23 pm
Subject: Re: Becky Ivory and Kerry Gibson are not cowards

Ken is booked solid for several weeks.  If you are booked in July, we should aim for August. Possibly August 4th around 8:30 am MST??

On Jun 13, 2014, at 7:34 AM, Trenholm < jktrenholm@aol.com> wrote:

 Good Morning Becky,
 
Two more responses, again I thank you.
 
I would love to meet with you and Ken and bring Scott Jenkins with me or I could come with him.  Please see what you can work out.
 
I am available June 16, afternoons of June 18 and 19, June 20, June 21, June 23, June 26 - 28 and will be traveling most of July.
 
Peace and Understanding,
 
Jim, 801-731-4817
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Rebecca Ivory <becky@americanlandscouncil.org>
To: Trenholm <jktrenholm@aol.com>
Sent: Thu, Jun 12, 2014 11:23 am
Subject: Re: Becky Ivory and Kerry Gibson are not cowards

Hi Jim!
I got your letter in the mail today and really enjoyed reading all of your articles and letters.  Funny thing is, we appear to be very closely aligned in our values.  
I absolutely loved the paragraph in your letter to Gov. Herbert which reads, "As the result of the 2001 Roadless Rule, half (approximately 4 million acres of 8 million acres) of our National Forest System lands in Utah are called Roadless Areas.  Add that to already designated Wilderness Areas and that leaves little of our National Forest System lands that can e actively managed."  I wrote a big "AMEN!" next to it!  
The predicament that our forests (and other federally managed lands) are in, is certainly not the fault of those forest workers or BLM workers on the front line.  Their hands have been tied by excessive regulations made by absentee landlords in Washington DC (Or New Jersey...as the case may be...)and those people are so far removed from our lands that they are not capable of making decisions that are in the best interest of our lands.  
That is the very reason why our Founding Fathers put measures in place to keep the federal government from ever becoming a land baron.  They had lived through enough Kings to know what a nightmare it would inevitably become.  
That is why the American Lands Council is working so hard to have the public lands managed by the STATES as was promised in each of our enabling acts.  The more local the control, the more the decisions will reflect the needs and desires of those whose lives and livelihoods depend upon the land.  
If the states were in control of the public lands, governors would not have to convince someone many thousands of miles away to take their phone call, read their letter, or sit down and have a rational conversation about what is best for their state.  To quote Supreme Court Justice Roberts, "States are independent, sovereign entities.  Sometimes they have to act like it."

I think your expertise in the area of forest management could be very helpful to our cause and educating people about land management.  If you would be interested, I'd love to set up a phone call between you and Ken Ivory.  Let me know if that would ever interest you.  

Thanks again for your letter!  I really enjoyed it!


On Jun 11, 2014, at 3:44 PM, Rebecca Ivory < becky@americanlandscouncil.org> wrote:

Hi again, Jim.
Thanks for your cute email!
In this business, we have to be able to have open conversations and learn from each other.  Glad to know we can have an open dialog.  Let me know if you have any questions on those White Papers.  ;)

Becky Ivory

www.AmericanLandsCouncil.org

Director of Communications
American Lands Council
10808 S River Front Pkwy Ste 334
South Jordan UT 84095   
(801)ALC-6622

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On Jun 9, 2014, at 8:42 AM, Trenholm < jktrenholm@aol.com> wrote:

Rebecca Ivory
Director of Communications
American Lands Council 10808 S River Pkwy Ste 334
Soudth Jordan, UT 84095

Dear Becky,

Thank you for the response.  You and Weber County Commissioner Kerry Gibson are the only ones who made one so far.

Kerry wrote:  Jim,

I couldn't disagree more with you on this issue.  All Utah counties continue to suffer in many ways, especially economically, because of the failure of the Federal Government to keep their promise of returning public lands to State control.  As long as Federal bureaucrats continue to control a vast majority of Utah's land, we will continue to see the "one size fits all" mentality that rarely succeeds, and was never intended in our republic.  The problem is a big one, and the solutions must be as well.  I applaud the Legislature and Governor for being willing to tackle this monumental task.

Take care,

Kerry

______________________________________________
 
And thank you for sending the white papers.  I will study them and be glad to discuss the issue with you, Ken, Kerry and/or one or more of you board members.

My favorite quote from my favorite president, Abraham Lincoln, is:  To sin by silence, when one should protest, makes cowards out of men.

You and Kerry are not cowards, which I really appreciate.  I much prefer someone to disagree with me than remain silent.

I will mail you a copy of my June 4 letter to the Western Governors' Association with its enclosures and leave a copy in the Weber County Commissioners' office for them.

Again, I thank you.

Peace and Understanding,

Jim Trenholm
801-731-4817


 


-----Original Message-----
From: Rebecca Ivory <becky@americanlandscouncil.org>
To: Trenholm <jktrenholm@aol.com>
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Sent: Fri, Jun 6, 2014 3:17 pm
Subject: Re: Public land scam - - Politicians want fight, not answers. Salt Lake Tribune editorial, June 5, 2014

Mr. Trenholm,
Thank you for your email.  I would suggest you study the following white papers that carefully lay out the constitutionality and legality of HB148, passed in UT in 2012.  I'm not sure what fact you have to support the claim that this law is "indefensible and ridiculous" but we would be happy to discuss those things with you if you should ever so desire.  

If you have questions after studying these two important papers, please let me know and I will be happy to set up a phone call between you and one of our board members.  

Thank you!
Becky 

www.AmericanLandsCouncil.org

Director of Communications
American Lands Council
10808 S River Front Pkwy Ste 334
South Jordan UT 84095   
(801)ALC-6622


On Jun 5, 2014, at 3:23 PM, Trenholm < jktrenholm@aol.com> wrote:

 Ladies and Gentlemen:

"Public land scam - - Politicians want fight, not answers."  These headlines in today's Salt Lake Tribune editorial, unfortunately are so true.  State Rep. Ken Ivory, former Attorney General John Swallow, United States Representative Rob Bishop and others, pulled Governor Gary Herbert into supporting the "indefensible and ridiculous" 2012 Utah Transfer of Public Lands act (HB148).

The 2001 Roadless Rule, enacted in the final days of the Clinton/Gore Administration was also "indefensible and ridiculous (and unlawful)"  In July 2003, Federal Judge Clarence Brimmer correctly ruled that it violated the National Environmental Policy Act and the Wilderness Act.  George W. Bush and his appointees, it seems, kept it around to fight over for the remainder of their two terms.

My hopes and prayers are that Western Governors will get with President Obama and Agriculture Secretary Vilsack and restore "Caring for the Land Serving People" to the USDA - Forest Service:

Peace and Understanding,

Jim Trenholm
4531 South 1675 West
Roy, Utah 84067
801-731-4817


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Sent: Wed, Jun 4, 2014 1:49 pm
Subject: Fwd: States that don't protect laws against same-sex marriage drifting toward "anarchy," Herbert says.

Western Governors' Association
1600 Broadway
Suite 1700 Denver CO 80202

Ladies and Gentlemen:

A copy of the forwarded letter in enclosed as copies of June 1, 2014 Salt Lake Tribune and Standard-Examiner letters to the editor.

Also enclosed:

May 21 letter to Governor Herbert, I handed to him in Ogden on that date.  It was previously a February 3 letter to Governor Herbert, Regional Forester Rasure and BLM State Director Palma.
Included in it was a Dilbert cartoon with Q & A, June 29, 2011 letter to me from President Obama and my June 13, 2003 appeal of the Wasatch-Cache NF Plan Revision put together by Tom Tidwell, now Chief of the Forest Service.  There seems to be no effective communication link between Regional Foresters, Secretary of Agriculture and the President of the United States.

"Roadless Ruckus" an April 29, 2004 Sublette Examiner article by Cat Urbigkit 

May 7, 2004 letter from former Wyoming Governor Dave Freudenthal thanking Cat Urbigkit, the Sublette Examiner, Harriet Hageman and me for helping him "set the record straight" with regard to Judge Brimmer's 2003 roadless rule decision.

I commend the Western Governors' Association for working together across state lines and across party lines on your 30th anniversary and my best wishes are with you in your upcoming annual meeting.

Peace and Understanding,



Jim Trenholm


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Sent: Mon, May 26, 2014 7:18 pm
Subject: States that don't protect laws against same-sex marriage drifting toward "anarchy," Herbert says.

 
Ladies and Gentlemen:
 
Governor Gary Herbert recently stated, "States that don't protect laws against same-sex marriage drifting toward 'anarchy.'"  Is that really so?

What about Utah passing a law demanding that the USDI-BLM and USDA-FS "give back" federally administered lands to the state?  Is anarchy already here?

It seems that Ken Ivory, John Swallow, Rob Bishop and the like, have gotten Utah into an indefensible and ridiculous position.  Utah counties suing the Department of interior for road access on BLM lands is another matter.  Access is necessary if we are to protect, manage and use our public lands and their abundant resources, particularity renewable resources (wood, water, forage, wildlife and recreation). BLM Districts and Utah Counties should be able to jointly manage lands and roads, with roads being under the jurisdiction of the counties.
 
There are approximately eight million acres of National Forest System lands in Utah, four million of which are called roadless areas, although they may contain hundreds of miles of roads.  Adding these roadless areas to already designated wilderness areas leaves little NFS lands available for active resource management.
 
County Commissioners, Forest Service District Rangers and BLM District Managers should be able to agree on road systems that serve the needs of all the people.  And the results should be agreed upon by Utah Governor Gary Herbert, BLM State Director Juan Palma and Regional Forester Nora Rasure.  Governor Herbert may have to involve President Obama and the Secretaries of Interior and Agriculture to allow this to happen. 

By working together let us see what we can do to again make the Forest Service and BLM functional in "Caring for the land and serving people."

Jim Trenholm
Roy, Utah

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