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Public Education Appropriations Subcommittee - June 01, 2020
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Recording 1
Call to Order
Chair Eliason called the meeting to order at 9:03 a.m.
Public Comment on Budget Adjustments
Brad Asay, President, American Federation of Teachers, Utah discussed the importance of hourly employees in schools.
Clarification of USBA/USSA methodology
Terry Shoemaker, Utah School Board/Superintendent's Association, clarified some of the rationale regarding their budget cut recommendations.
Chair Eliason thanked Terry for his 40+ years of service to students and teachers in public education.
Todd Hauber, Legislative Liaison, Utah Association of School Business Officials, discussed their reductions list.
Mark Clement, Alpine School Board Member, supported using the Rainy Day Fund to preserve budgets as much as possible.
Rep. Waldrip moved that the EAC look at all available funding mechanisms including utilizing Rainy Day Funds to cover any FY 2020 budget shortfalls.
Sen. Hillyard asked for clarification about which year is being referred to. He expressed caution about using Rainy Day Funds for a budget year that has not yet started.
Rep. Johnson asked for clarification about when Rainy Day funds can be utilized.
Ben Leishman mentioned that to plan the use of Rainy Day funds for a future fiscal year would not be appropriate. He discussed the use of federal funds.
Rep. Johnson mentioned that the budget cuts may be cutting programs that are of great worth. He spoke against making unilateral budget cuts.
Sen. Riebe asked if a percentage of the Rainy Day Funds could be applied.
Ben Leishman stated that the Rainy Day funds can be used to fill the gaps for FY 2020. Ben Leishman was not certain how to estimate using a percentage of Rainy Day funds for a future fiscal year.
Rep. Waldrip asked for clarification about Sen. Riebe's request. Sen. Riebe and Ben Leishman responded.
Rep. Briscoe asked for clarification about the amount of money in the fund. Ben Leishman and Chair Eliason responded.
Sen. Hillyard stated that it is important to recognize that two budget years are being discussed.
Chair Eliason asked for clarification on the motion. Rep. Waldrip responded.
Rep. Last stated that the budget for FY 2020 has been settled.
Rep. Gibson expressed concern about the use of Rainy Day Funds.
Sen. Winterton said it important to hold everything status quo until we have a little more idea about the future.
Rep. Snow asked if the EAC has authorization to use Rainy Day Funds. Ben Leishman responded.
Rep. Johnson asked for clarification about the budgetary needs to finish out FY 2020.
Rep. Last mentioned that all budgetary decisions are ultimately determined by the entire Legislature.
Rep. Waldrip's motion
Clarification of motion on software programs from May 27th meeting
Rep. GIbson explained the motion given at the last meeting regarding software programs.
Chair Eliason stated that vendors have been asked to take a 15 percent reduction for FY 2021. This would allow vendors to continue to provide services.
Sen. Hillyard asked how much more is added to FY 2021 above the base if the expansion is allowed with a 15 percent reduction in the cost. Ben Leishman responded.
Chair Eliason reported that the co-chairs have reviewed the remaining budget cut recommendations from the three groups and have prepared a co-chair budget proposal which will be available with the meeting materials.
Rep. Gibson discussed the importance of remote learning. Chair Eliason responded.
Rep. Johnson expressed support for the motion made at the last meeting regarding this issue.
Rep. Briscoe commented on the 5 software programs involved.
Sen. FIllmore didn't understand that EAC meant that all identified priorities for FY 2021 were off the table. He expressed concern that the committee is preparing to recommend a less effective public education system for FY 2021.
Chair Eliason clarified Rep. Gibson's intent with the motion made at the last meeting. He also reported that some of the software vendors have contacted him and are supportive of this request during these difficult times.
Rep. Gibson gave some concluding remarks about this issue.
Sen. Riebe spoke in favor of giving districts the opportunity to determine which software programs are most beneficial for their own schools.
Subcommittee Discussion & Recommendations on Budget Adjustments
Chair Eliason gave an overview about the updated list.
5-Co-Chair Budget Proposal for 2%, 5%, and 10% Adjustments
Ben Leishman gave some clarification about the updated list.
Sen. Riebe moved to add a budget reduction of $6 million to the list for HB 4003 Special Needs Opportunity Scholarship Program which was approved in the Special Session.
Rep. Gibson spoke against the motion.
Sen. Hillyard stated that all new monies were taken off the table except for growth.
Sen. Hillyard moved to approve the Co-Chair proposals list from 2a through USBE 2nn USBE
Ben Leishman gave some clarification about the $6 million.
Rep. Poulson asked for clarification that no new programs will be funded. Ben Leishman responded.
Rep. GIbson asked specifically about Line 2i regarding the School Library Books & Electronic Resources. Ben Leishman responded.
Sen. Hillyard's subsitute motion
Sen. Riebe moved to eliminate the $6 million tax credit required for HB 4003.
Chair Eliason asked for clarification if the HB 4003 Special Needs Scholarship is the purview of this commitee, or should be the perogative of the Revenue and Tax Standing committee. Ben Leishman responded.
Rep. Gibson spoke against the motion.
Rep. Briscoe stated that looking at the education tax credits at a future meeting would be very helpful.
Rep. Poulson mentioned the difficulties schools will have in opening in the fall and that this new program will take $6 million out of the budget.
Rep. Lisonbee spoke against the motion.
Sen. Riebe's motion
Rep. Gibson moved to change the amount for Line Item 2i School Library Book & Electronic Resources of $850,000 and change it to a $85,000 reduction.
Rep. Johnson supported the motion.
Sen. Hillyard asked for clarification about this Line Item. Ben Leishman responded.
Rep. Gibson's motion
Rep. Briscoe asked for clarification about the 5% list. Ben Leishman responded.
Rep. Gibson moved to adopt the chair's recommendation on Line 5o Class Size Reduction.
Rep. Briscoe clarified that this cut will eliminate teaching positions.
Sen. Riebe spoke against the motion.
Rep. Gibson's motion
Rep. Johnson is very hopeful that this cut will not have to be made.
Sen. Hillyard mentioned that USBE and USBA/USSA gave the class size reduction this priority.
Chair Eliason clarified that the committee has completed the 2% and 5% reductions and will now be moving on to the 10% reduction. Ben Leishman explained that everything in green on the list would be part of the 10% reduction.
Sen. Hillyard moved to approve the Co-Chair proposed 10% reduction list .
Sen. Fillmore expressed concern about eliminating the flexibility for the districts.
Sen. Fillmore moved to cut all funding for Item 10k $5.5 million of Enhancement for Accelerated Students in lieu of reductions to other programs.
Sen. Riebe spoke against this motion.
Rep. Gibson asked for clarification on the motion and substitute motion. The committee should seek to lighten any state regulations.
Sen. Fillmore explained the rationale for his motion in more detail.
Sen. Hillyard spoke against the substitute motion.
Sen. Fillmore's motion
Sen. Hillyard wanted to amend his motion to approve the Co-Chair proposed 10% reduction list but to also add back approximately $132 million in Line Item 5o class size reduction from the 2 percent cuts and put it in the 5 percent cuts.
Rep. Spendlove asked for clarification on Line Item 10r Pupil Transportation Rural Transportation Grants. Ben Leishman responded.
Rep. Pulsipher asked about item 5c Interventions for Reading Difficulties.
Rep. Pulsipher moved to accept Hillyard's amended motion with the exception of removing Item 5c Interventions for Reading Difficulties from the list.
Rep. Snow spoke in favor of this motion.
Sen. Hillyard mentioned that there are lots of extremely valuable programs and is concerned about consistency with the other programs.
Sen. Millner asked for clarification that this program certifies teachers to teach students with dyslexia.
Sen. Riebe spoke in favor of the motion.
Rep. Pulsipher's substitute motion
Discussion of Plan for Interim Meetings
Ben Leishman discussed what may be discussed at the next interim meetings in August and October.
Sen. Millner would like to form a small working group to study funding issues with the State Board of Education.
Rep. Lisonee expressed concern about adjusting the funding given to SEOP.
Rep. Lisonbee moved to add back an additional $1 million for the Statewide Online Education Program for home school and private school students on the 2 percent list.
Ben Leishman gave some background information about this program.
Rep. Briscoe asked about a private school that was over utilizing these resources. Ben Leishman responded.
Rep. Johnson spoke in favor of this motion.
Rep. Waldrip spoke in favor of the motion.
Sen. Hillyard asked some clarifying questions about the motion. Ben Leishman responded.
Rep. Lisonbee's motion
Rep. Gibson expressed appreciation to the chairs and staff for this very difficult task.
Rep. Poulson expressed appreciation to the chairs, staff, and the entire committee. She expressed concern about the upcoming earmark issue on the ballot.
Chair Eliason stated that this question would have to be discussed in a standing committee.
Rep. Gibson responded about this comment.
Rep. Poulson and Chair Eliason gave come final remarks about this issue.
Sen. Millner discussed the possible constitution amendment.
Sen. Hillyard moved to adjourn.
Chair Eliason adjourned the meeting at 12:19 p.m.
Call to Order
Call to Order
Public Comment on Budget Adjustments
Public Comment on Budget Adjustments
Clarification of USBA/USSA methodology
Clarification of USBA/USSA methodology
Clarification of motion on software programs from May 27th meeting
Clarification of motion on software programs from May 27th meeting
Subcommittee Discussion & Recommendations on Budget Adjustments
Subcommittee Discussion & Recommendations on Budget Adjustments
Report on COVID-19 Response and Impact
Report on COVID-19 Response and Impact
Discussion of Plan for Interim Meetings
Discussion of Plan for Interim Meetings
Other Business
Other Business
Adjourn
Adjourn
AGENDA
AGENDA
MINUTES
MINUTES
NOTICE
NOTICE
5-Co-Chair Budget Proposal for 2%, 5%, and 10% Adjustments
5-Co-Chair Budget Proposal for 2%, 5%, and 10% Adjustments
5-Final Subcommittee Recommendations for 2%, 5%, and 10% Budget Adjustments
5-Final Subcommittee Recommendations for 2%, 5%, and 10% Budget Adjustments
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