MINUTES OF THE
REVENUE AND TAXATION INTERIM COMMITTEE
Wednesday, November 14, 2018 • 8:00 a.m. • 445 State Capitol


Members Present:
Sen. Howard A. Stephenson, Chair
Rep. Steve Eliason, Chair
Sen. Jim Dabakis
Sen. Lincoln Fillmore
Sen. Deidre M. Henderson
Rep. Joel K. Briscoe
Rep. Gage Froerer
Rep. Ken Ivory
Rep. Karianne Lisonbee
Rep. Daniel McCay
Rep. Jefferson Moss
Rep. Marie H. Poulson
Rep. Tim Quinn
Rep. Douglas V. Sagers
Rep. Travis M. Seegmiller

Members Absent:
Sen. Curtis S. Bramble
Rep. Brad R. Wilson

Staff Present:
Mr. Alex R. Janak, Policy Analyst
Ms. Shannon C. Halverson, Associate General Counsel
Ms. Tracy J. Nuttall, Associate General Counsel
Mr. Brent M. Gage, Administrative Assistant

Note: A copy of related materials and an audio recording of the meeting can be found at www.le.utah.gov.

1. Committee Business
Chair Stephenson called the meeting to order at 8:13 a.m. and discussed study items the committee was unable to this year due to time constraints.
2. Repatriation Transition Tax
Ms. Nuttall presented an overview of draft legislation "Repatriation Transition Tax Amendments" (2019FL0788).
2 - 2019 General Session draft legislation "Repatriation Transition Tax Amendments" (2019FL0788)
John L. Valentine, Chair, Utah State Tax Commission, spoke in favor of the draft legislation.
3. Earned Income Tax Credit
Mr. Janak presented an overview of draft legislation "Income Tax Code Amendments" (2019FL0328) and draft legislation "Earned Income Tax Credit Amendments" (2019FL0610).
3 - 2019 General Session draft legislation "Income Tax Code Amendments" (2019FL0328)
3 - 2019 General Session draft legislation "Earned Income Tax Credit Amendments" (2019FL0610)
Rep. Norman K Thurston presented on intergenerational poverty and a proposal for a state Earned Income Tax Credit.
3 - Intergenerational Poverty Presentation
Rep. Adam Robertson presented on 529 savings plans.
MOTION: Rep. Sagers moved to recommend file 2019FL0328 version 9. The motion failed with a vote of 3-6-8.
Yeas - 3Nays-6Abs-8
Rep. S. Eliason
Rep. D. Sagers
Sen. H. Stephenson
Rep. J. Briscoe
Sen. L. Fillmore
Sen. D. Henderson
Rep. D. McCay
Rep. M. Poulson
Rep. T. Quinn
Sen. C. Bramble
Sen. J. Dabakis
Rep. G. Froerer
Rep. K. Ivory
Rep. K. Lisonbee
Rep. J. Moss
Rep. T. Seegmiller
Rep. B. Wilson
MOTION: Rep. Eliason moved to approve the minutes of the October 17, 2018 meeting. The motion passed with a vote of 9-0-8.
Yeas - 9Nays-0Abs-8
Rep. J. Briscoe
Rep. S. Eliason
Sen. L. Fillmore
Sen. D. Henderson
Rep. D. McCay
Rep. M. Poulson
Rep. T. Quinn
Rep. D. Sagers
Sen. H. Stephenson
Sen. C. Bramble
Sen. J. Dabakis
Rep. G. Froerer
Rep. K. Ivory
Rep. K. Lisonbee
Rep. J. Moss
Rep. T. Seegmiller
Rep. B. Wilson
4. Repatriation Transition Tax
MOTION: Rep. Sagers moved to recommend file 2019FL0788 version 4. The motion passed with a vote of 10-1-6.
Yeas - 10Nays-1Abs-6
Rep. J. Briscoe
Rep. S. Eliason
Sen. L. Fillmore
Rep. G. Froerer
Sen. D. Henderson
Rep. K. Lisonbee
Rep. D. McCay
Rep. M. Poulson
Rep. D. Sagers
Sen. H. Stephenson
Rep. T. Quinn
Sen. C. Bramble
Sen. J. Dabakis
Rep. K. Ivory
Rep. J. Moss
Rep. T. Seegmiller
Rep. B. Wilson
5. Property Tax Valuation Process
Rep. Timothy D. Hawkes presented an overview of draft legislation "Property Tax Amendments" (2019FL0039).
4 - 2019 General Session draft legislation "Property Tax Amendments" (2019FL0039)
Mr. Valentine stated the tax commission hasn't taken a position on the draft legislation.
MOTION: Rep. Briscoe moved to adopt file 2019FL0039 version 14 as a committee bill with a favorable recommendation. The motion passed with a vote of 12-0-5.
Yeas - 12Nays-0Abs-5
Rep. J. Briscoe
Rep. S. Eliason
Sen. L. Fillmore
Rep. G. Froerer
Sen. D. Henderson
Rep. K. Ivory
Rep. K. Lisonbee
Rep. D. McCay
Rep. M. Poulson
Rep. D. Sagers
Rep. T. Seegmiller
Sen. H. Stephenson
Sen. C. Bramble
Sen. J. Dabakis
Rep. J. Moss
Rep. T. Quinn
Rep. B. Wilson
6. Tax Commission Amendments
Mr. Janak presented an overview of draft legislation "Tax Commission Amendments" (2019FL0341).
5 - 2019 General Session draft legislation "Tax Commission Amendments" (2019FL0341)
Rebecca Rockwell, Commissioner, Utah State Tax Commission, thanked the committee for enacting S.B. 17 in 2017 and spoke of its positive effects on the tax commission.
MOTION: Rep. Briscoe moved to recommend file 2019FL0341 version 2. The motion passed with a vote of 11-0-6.
Yeas - 11Nays-0Abs-6
Rep. J. Briscoe
Rep. S. Eliason
Rep. G. Froerer
Sen. D. Henderson
Rep. K. Ivory
Rep. K. Lisonbee
Rep. D. McCay
Rep. M. Poulson
Rep. D. Sagers
Rep. T. Seegmiller
Sen. H. Stephenson
Sen. C. Bramble
Sen. J. Dabakis
Sen. L. Fillmore
Rep. J. Moss
Rep. T. Quinn
Rep. B. Wilson
7. Tax Exemptions, Deferrals, and Abatements
Ms. Nuttall presented an overview of draft legislation "Property Tax Exemptions, Deferrals, and Abatements Amendments" (2019FL0340).
6 - 2019 General Session draft legislation "Property Tax Exemptions, Deferrals, and Abatements Amendments" (2019FL0340)
Ms. Rockwell gave the tax commission's position on the draft legislation.
MOTION: Rep. McCay moved to recommend file 2019FL0340 version 5. The motion passed with a vote of 13-0-4.
Yeas - 13Nays-0Abs-4
Rep. J. Briscoe
Rep. S. Eliason
Rep. G. Froerer
Sen. D. Henderson
Rep. K. Ivory
Rep. K. Lisonbee
Rep. D. McCay
Rep. J. Moss
Rep. M. Poulson
Rep. T. Quinn
Rep. D. Sagers
Rep. T. Seegmiller
Sen. H. Stephenson
Sen. C. Bramble
Sen. J. Dabakis
Sen. L. Fillmore
Rep. B. Wilson
8. Nexus Standard for Utah Corporate Income Tax
Mr. Janak presented an overview of draft legislation "Income Tax Revisions" (2019FL0520).
7 - 2019 General Session draft legislation "Income Tax Revisions" (2019FL0520)
Mr. Valentine gave the tax commission's position on the draft legislation.
Billy Hesterman, Holland & Hart, spoke about a potential $100,000 sales threshold to establish nexus.
Ms. Rockwell spoke about options for implementing a threshold.
MOTION: Rep. Eliason moved to recommend file 2019FL0520 version 5. The motion passed with a vote of 13-0-4.
Yeas - 13Nays-0Abs-4
Rep. S. Eliason
Sen. L. Fillmore
Rep. G. Froerer
Sen. D. Henderson
Rep. K. Ivory
Rep. K. Lisonbee
Rep. D. McCay
Rep. J. Moss
Rep. M. Poulson
Rep. T. Quinn
Rep. D. Sagers
Rep. T. Seegmiller
Sen. H. Stephenson
Sen. C. Bramble
Rep. J. Briscoe
Sen. J. Dabakis
Rep. B. Wilson
9. Business Tangible Personal Property Tax Exemption
Chair Stephenson spoke about previous discussions on the topic.
Ms. Nuttall presented an overview of draft legislation "Proposal to Amend Utah Constitution - Tangible Personal Property Tax Exemption" (2019FL0848) and draft legislation "Tangible Personal Property Amendments" (2019FL0849).
8 - 2019 General Session draft legislation "Proposal to Amend Utah Constitution - Tangible Personal Property Tax Exemption" (2019FL0848)
8 - 2019 General Session draft legislation "Tangible Personal Property Amendments" (2019FL0849)
Mr. Valentine gave the tax commission's position on the draft legislation.
MOTION: Rep. McCay moved to recommend file 2019FL0848 version 4. The motion passed with a vote of 13-0-4.
Yeas - 13Nays-0Abs-4
Rep. S. Eliason
Sen. L. Fillmore
Rep. G. Froerer
Sen. D. Henderson
Rep. K. Ivory
Rep. K. Lisonbee
Rep. D. McCay
Rep. J. Moss
Rep. M. Poulson
Rep. T. Quinn
Rep. D. Sagers
Rep. T. Seegmiller
Sen. H. Stephenson
Sen. C. Bramble
Rep. J. Briscoe
Sen. J. Dabakis
Rep. B. Wilson
MOTION: Rep. Sagers moved to recommend file 2019FL0849 version 3. The motion passed with a vote of 13-0-4.
Yeas - 13Nays-0Abs-4
Rep. S. Eliason
Sen. L. Fillmore
Rep. G. Froerer
Sen. D. Henderson
Rep. K. Ivory
Rep. K. Lisonbee
Rep. D. McCay
Rep. J. Moss
Rep. M. Poulson
Rep. T. Quinn
Rep. D. Sagers
Rep. T. Seegmiller
Sen. H. Stephenson
Sen. C. Bramble
Rep. J. Briscoe
Sen. J. Dabakis
Rep. B. Wilson
10. Statutorily Required Income Tax Credits Review
Mr. Janak presented the Required Reviews of Income Tax Credits document.
9 - Required Reviews of Income Tax Credits
11. Income Tax Credits Cleanup and Potential Income Tax Rate Change
Chair Stephenson presented an overview of draft legislation "Modifications to Tax" (2019FL0790).
10 - 2019 General Session draft legislation "Modifications to Tax" (2019FL0790)
Mr. Janak presented on the legislative options for the draft legislation.
Lynne Ward, Executive Director, my529, spoke about how the bill might affect my529.
Rep. McCay moved to recommend file 2019FL0790 version 6 with the provision that 4.95% be changed to 4.9% throughout the bill.
SUBSTITUTE MOTION: Rep. Seegmiller moved to recommend file 2019FL0790 version 6 with the provision that 4.95% be changed to 4.85% throughout the bill. The substitute motion failed with a vote of 5-6-6.
Yeas - 5Nays-6Abs-6
Sen. L. Fillmore
Rep. K. Ivory
Rep. D. McCay
Rep. T. Seegmiller
Sen. H. Stephenson
Sen. D. Henderson
Rep. K. Lisonbee
Rep. J. Moss
Rep. M. Poulson
Rep. T. Quinn
Rep. D. Sagers
Sen. C. Bramble
Rep. J. Briscoe
Sen. J. Dabakis
Rep. S. Eliason
Rep. G. Froerer
Rep. B. Wilson
Rep. McCay withdrew the motion.
12. Achieving a Better Life Experience (ABLE)
Mr. Janak presented an overview of draft legislation "ABLE Act Amendments" (2019FL0797).
11 - 2019 General Session draft legislation "ABLE Act Amendments" (2019FL0797)
Ms. Ward discussed ABLE programs and spoke to the draft legislation.
Kevin Burt, Director, Unemployment Insurance Division, Department of Workforce Services, gave the department's position on the draft legislation.
13. Definition of Domicile for Income Tax Purposes
Ms. Halverson presented an overview of draft legislation "Income Tax Domicile Amendments" (2019FL0364).
12 - 2019 General Session draft legislation "Income Tax Domicile Amendments" (2019FL0364)
14. Statutorily-required Study (Section 59-2-1007)
Rep. McCay reported on the process for a county to object to an assessment of property assessed by the Tax Commission.
15. Review of the Legislative Auditor General's Recent Audit of the Utah State Tax Commission
Scott Smith, Executive Director, Utah State Tax Commission, discussed the Legislative Auditor General's recent audit of the Utah State Tax Commission.
16. Other Items/Adjourn
Members of the committee spoke to Chair Stephenson's legislative career.
MOTION: Rep. McCay moved to adjourn. The motion passed with a vote of 9-0-8.
Yeas - 9Nays-0Abs-8
Rep. J. Briscoe
Sen. L. Fillmore
Rep. K. Lisonbee
Rep. D. McCay
Rep. J. Moss
Rep. M. Poulson
Rep. T. Quinn
Rep. D. Sagers
Sen. H. Stephenson
Sen. C. Bramble
Sen. J. Dabakis
Rep. S. Eliason
Rep. G. Froerer
Sen. D. Henderson
Rep. K. Ivory
Rep. T. Seegmiller
Rep. B. Wilson
Chair Stephenson adjourned the meeting at 10:36 a.m.