| Members Present: Sen. Allen M. Christensen, Senate Chair Rep. Paul Ray, House Chair Rep. Raymond P. Ward, House Vice Chair Sen. Kirk A. Cullimore Sen. Luz Escamilla Sen. Daniel Hemmert Sen. Todd Weiler Rep. Kim F. Coleman Rep. Jennifer Dailey-Provost Rep. Brad M. Daw Rep. Sandra Hollins | Rep. Marsha Judkins Rep. Adam Robertson Rep. Travis M. Seegmiller Rep. Norman K. Thurston Members Absent: President J. Stuart Adams Sen. Keith Grover Staff Present: Ms. Clare Tobin Lence, Fiscal Analyst Ms. Maddy Oritt, Fiscal Analyst Ms. An Bradshaw, Committee Secretary |
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| Senate Chair Christensen called the meeting to order at 8:18 a.m. |
| MOTION: House Chair Ray moved to approve the following motion from the sheet entitled "Social Services Subcommitteee - Motions for Subcommittee Consideration" dated 1/25/2019: #CB4. The motion passed with a vote of 12-0-5. | |||
| Yeas - 12 | Nays-0 | Abs-5 | |
| Sen. A. Christensen Sen. K. Cullimore Rep. J. Dailey-Provost Rep. B. Daw Sen. D. Hemmert Rep. S. Hollins Rep. M. Judkins Rep. P. Ray Rep. A. Robertson Rep. N. Thurston Rep. R. Ward Sen. T. Weiler | Sen. J. Adams Rep. K. Coleman Sen. L. Escamilla Sen. K. Grover Rep. T. Seegmiller |
| 1. Public Input on Topics on Today's Agenda |
| Mr. George Chapman, citizen, spoke about Operation Rio Grande and the needed funding that could make it a success. |
| Rep. Daw asked for clarification and Mr. Chapman responded. |
| Ms. Gina Cornia, Utahns Against Hunger, spoke in opposition to budget reduction options related to Emergency Food Network and Qualified Emergency Food Agencies Fund. |
| Rep. Judkins asked clarifying questions and Ms. Cornia responded. |
| 2. Annual Audit of the Department of Workforce Services by the State Auditor |
| 4-Department of Workforce Services - Single Audit Management Letter - June 30, 2018 |
| Mr. John Dougall, State Auditor, Office of the State Auditor (OSA), introduced the auditors to the committee. |
| Mr. Gregg Hastings, Financial Auditor/IS Manager, OSA, presented the audit findings to the committee. |
| Mr. Andrew Driggs, Financial Senior Auditor, OSA, presented additional details about the audit findings. |
| Chair Christensen asked for more information and Mr. Driggs and Mr. Dougall responded. |
| Rep. Dailey-Provost asked a clarifying question and Mr. Driggs responded. |
| Mr. Hastings gave a conclusion of the report. |
| Rep. Judkins asked clarifying questions and Mr. Dougall responded. |
| Mr. Dougall expressed appreciation to the Department of Workforce Services (DWS) for their continued effort to improve their operations. |
| Mr. Jon Pierpont, Executive Director, DWS, responded to the audit and expressed appreciation for the department's relationship with OSA. |
| Rep. Judkins expressed appreciation for the department and the auditor team. |
| MOTION: Rep. Ray moved to approve motion #DA1 from the sheet entitled "Social Services Appropriations Subcommittee - Motions for Consideration" dated 1/25/2019. The motion passed with a vote of 13-0-4. | |||
| Yeas - 13 | Nays-0 | Abs-4 | |
| Sen. A. Christensen Rep. K. Coleman Sen. K. Cullimore Rep. J. Dailey-Provost Rep. B. Daw Sen. D. Hemmert Rep. S. Hollins Rep. M. Judkins Rep. P. Ray Rep. A. Robertson Rep. N. Thurston Rep. R. Ward Sen. T. Weiler | Sen. J. Adams Sen. L. Escamilla Sen. K. Grover Rep. T. Seegmiller |
| 3. Department of Workforce Services (DWS) - Base Budget |
| Ms. Maddy Oritt, Fiscal Analyst, Office of the Legislative Fiscal Analyst (LFA), explained the Base Budget to the committee and invited Mr. Nathan Harrison, Director of Administrative Support, DWS, to answer questions from the committee. |
| 5b-DWS - Facility Costs FY19 |
| Chair Christensen asked for clarification and Ms. Oritt responded. |
| 5c-DWS - Fund Balances |
| Ms. Oritt explained the report. |
| 5d-Issue Brief - 2019 General Session - Fees - Department of Workforce Services |
| Ms. Oritt presented the report. |
| Chair Christensen asked Mr. Harrison to provide additional information and Mr. Harrison responded. |
| Rep. Ward asked clarifying questions and Mr. Harrison responded. |
| Mr. Jonathan Hardy, Director, Division of Housing and Community Development, DWS, provided additional information. |
| Ms. Tracy Gruber, Director, Office of Child Care, DWS, provided additional information. |
| Rep. Judkins asked for information about fees and Mr. Harrison responded. |
| Chair Christensen asked for additional information and Mr. Harrison responded. |
| Ms. Oritt continued with her presentation. |
| 5e-Issue Brief - 2019 General Session - Federal Funds - Department of Workforce Services |
| Ms. Oritt presented the information. |
| 5f-DWS - Caseloads - FY2018 |
| 5g-DWS - Line Item Performance Measures - FY2018 |
| M. Oritt explained possible motions for the committee's consideration. |
| MOTION: Rep. Ray moved to approve all DA motions except #DA1 from the sheet entitled "Social Services Appropriations Subcommittee - Motions for Consideration" dated 1/25/2019. The motion passed with a vote of 14-0-3. | |||
| Yeas - 14 | Nays-0 | Abs-3 | |
| Sen. A. Christensen Rep. K. Coleman Sen. K. Cullimore Rep. J. Dailey-Provost Rep. B. Daw Sen. D. Hemmert Rep. S. Hollins Rep. M. Judkins Rep. P. Ray Rep. A. Robertson Rep. T. Seegmiller Rep. N. Thurston Rep. R. Ward Sen. T. Weiler | Sen. J. Adams Sen. L. Escamilla Sen. K. Grover |
| 4. DWS Administration - Base Budget |
| Ms. Oritt presented the DWS Administration Base Budget and explained possible motions for the committee's consideration. |
| Rep. Judkins asked for clarification and Ms. Oritt and Mr. Harrison responded. |
| Rep. Robertson asked for clarification and Mr. Jon Pierpont, Executive Director, DWS, responded. |
| Rep. Judkins asked about programs for veterans and Mr. Pierpont responded. |
| Ms. Oritt explained possible motions for the committee's consideration. |
| Mr. Harrison supplied additional information. |
| MOTION: Rep. Thurston moved to approve the DB motions for the Administration line item on the sheet entitled "Social Services Appropriations Subcommittee - Motions for Consideration" dated 1/25/2019. The motion passed with a vote of 11-0-6. | |||
| Yeas - 11 | Nays-0 | Abs-6 | |
| Sen. A. Christensen Rep. K. Coleman Rep. J. Dailey-Provost Rep. B. Daw Rep. S. Hollins Rep. M. Judkins Rep. A. Robertson Rep. T. Seegmiller Rep. N. Thurston Rep. R. Ward Sen. T. Weiler | Sen. J. Adams Sen. K. Cullimore Sen. L. Escamilla Sen. K. Grover Sen. D. Hemmert Rep. P. Ray |
| 5. DWS General Assistance - Base Budget |
| Ms. Oritt explained the Base Budget. |
| Chair Christensen commented on the challenge to General Assistance allowance recipients to subsist on the amount provided. |
| Chair Christensen made a comment about the audit and Mr. Harrison responded. |
| MOTION: Rep. Ray moved to approve the DC motions for the General Assistance line item on the sheet entitled "Social Services Appropriations Subcommittee - Motions for Consideration" dated 1/25/2019. The motion passed with a vote of 12-0-5. | |||
| Yeas - 12 | Nays-0 | Abs-5 | |
| Sen. A. Christensen Rep. K. Coleman Rep. J. Dailey-Provost Rep. B. Daw Rep. S. Hollins Rep. M. Judkins Rep. P. Ray Rep. A. Robertson Rep. T. Seegmiller Rep. N. Thurston Rep. R. Ward Sen. T. Weiler | Sen. J. Adams Sen. K. Cullimore Sen. L. Escamilla Sen. K. Grover Sen. D. Hemmert |
| 6. DWS Housing and Community Development (HCD) - Base Budget |
| 8c1-DWS - HCD Expenditure Details FY18 |
| Ms. Oritt explained the Base Budget to the committee. |
| Rep. Dailey-Provost asked clarifying questions. |
| Ms. Oritt and Mr. Hardy provided the information. |
| Ms. Oritt explained possible reduction options and motions for the committee's consideration. |
| Chair Christensen commented on the proposed budget cuts and invited representatives from DWS to respond. |
| Mr. Hardy expressed opposition to the Housing and Community Development reduction options. |
| Rep. Robertson asked for clarification and Mr. Hardy responded. |
| Mr. Kory Holdaway, Consultant, The INN Between, was invited by Chair Christensen to speak about the proposed budget cuts that would affect The INN Between. |
| Rep. Ray asked about funding requests and Mr. Holdaway and Mr. Hardy responded. |
| Ms. Oritt continued her presentation on funding requests and possible motions. |
| 8c1-DWS - HCD Expenditure Details FY18 |
| 8c2-Private Activity Bonds - 2-1-2019 |
| 7. Performance Audit of Utah's Homeless Services |
| 10-Performance Audit of Utah's Homeless Services (audit number 2018-12) |
| Mr. Brian Dean, Deputy Auditor General, Office of Legislative Auditor General (OLAG), introduced the audit to the committee. |
| Mr. James Behunin, Audit Supervisor, OLAG, explained the audit findings to the committee and made recommendations to improve deficiencies. |
| Rep. Coleman asked for clarification and Mr. Behunin responded. |
| Chair Christensen made a comment about changing metrics to change study outcomes. |
| Mr. Behunin continued with his presentation. |
| Rep. Coleman asked for more information and Mr. Behunin responded. |
| Mr. Dean provided additional information. |
| Mr. Behunin continued with his presentation. |
| Chair Christensen expressed his thoughts on changing goals. |
| Mr. Dean and Mr. Behunin responded. |
| Rep. Daw asked for clarification about agencies and funding sources. Mr. Dean responded. |
| House Chair Ray assumed the chair. |
| Rep. Coleman asked for more information and Mr. Behunin and Mr. Dean responded. |
| Sen. Escamilla asked for additional information about funding sources and Mr. Dean and Mr. Behunin responded. |
| Mr. Hardy responded to the audit. |
| Ms. Oritt explained possible motions to the committee. |
| Rep. Thurston moved to approve motion #DC1 on the General Assistance line item, and the DD motions except #DD3-#DD7, #DD13, #DD23, #DD24, and #DD26 in the Housing and Community Development line item section on the sheet entitled "Social Services Appropriations Subcommittee - Motions for Consideration" dated 1/25/2019. |
| SUBSTITUTE MOTION: Rep. Judkins moved to approve motion #DC1 in the General Assistance line item and all DD motions except #DD3-#DD7, #DD11, #DD13-#DD15, #DD23, #DD24, and #DD26 in the Housing and Community Development line item section on the sheet entitled "Social Services Appropriations Subcommittee - Motions for Consideration" dated 1/25/2019. The Substitute motion passed with a vote of 9-3-5. | |||
| Yeas - 9 | Nays-3 | Abs-5 | |
| Rep. K. Coleman Sen. K. Cullimore Rep. B. Daw Rep. S. Hollins Rep. M. Judkins Rep. A. Robertson Rep. T. Seegmiller Rep. N. Thurston Sen. T. Weiler | Rep. J. Dailey-Provost Sen. L. Escamilla Rep. P. Ray | Sen. J. Adams Sen. A. Christensen Sen. K. Grover Sen. D. Hemmert Rep. R. Ward |
| Chair Ray gave some additional information and spoke in opposition to the substitute motion. |
| Rep. Dailey-Provost spoke in opposition to the substitute motion. |
| 8. DWS Olene Walker Housing Loan Fund - Base Budget |
| 11b-Report on H.B. 36 - Expenditures |
| Ms. Oritt presented the information to the committee. |
| Mr. Hardy explained the report to the committee. |
| Ms. Oritt continued with her presentation. |
| Senate Chair Christensen resumed the chair. |
| Sen. Cullimore spoke to the fund. |
| Ms. Oritt explained possible motions to the committee. |
| Rep. Dailey-Provost asked for more information regarding DD3-DD7 and Mr. Harrison and Ms. Oritt responded. |
| Rep. Robertson asked for more information and Ms. Oritt and Mr. Hardy responded. |
| MOTION: House Chair Ray moved to approve motions #DD3-#DD7 and #DD23 in the Housing and Community Development line item section on the sheet entitled "Social Services Appropriations Subcommittee - Motions for Consideration" dated 1/25/2019. The motion passed with a vote of 12-0-5. | |||
| Yeas - 12 | Nays-0 | Abs-5 | |
| Sen. A. Christensen Rep. K. Coleman Sen. K. Cullimore Rep. J. Dailey-Provost Rep. S. Hollins Rep. M. Judkins Rep. P. Ray Rep. A. Robertson Rep. T. Seegmiller Rep. N. Thurston Rep. R. Ward Sen. T. Weiler | Sen. J. Adams Rep. B. Daw Sen. L. Escamilla Sen. K. Grover Sen. D. Hemmert |
| 9. DWS Permanent Community Impact/Community Development Capital - Base |
| 12a-DWS - HCD Capital Expenditure Details FY18 |
| Ms. Oritt explained additional motions for the committee to consider. |
| MOTION: House Chair Ray moved to approve motion #DD24 in the Housing and Community Development line item section on the sheet entitled "Social Services Appropriations Subcommittee - Motions for Consideration" dated 1/25/2019. The motion passed with a vote of 13-0-4. | |||
| Yeas - 13 | Nays-0 | Abs-4 | |
| Sen. A. Christensen Rep. K. Coleman Sen. K. Cullimore Rep. J. Dailey-Provost Sen. L. Escamilla Rep. S. Hollins Rep. M. Judkins Rep. P. Ray Rep. A. Robertson Rep. T. Seegmiller Rep. N. Thurston Rep. R. Ward Sen. T. Weiler | Sen. J. Adams Rep. B. Daw Sen. K. Grover Sen. D. Hemmert |
| 10. DWS Special Services District - Base Budget |
| 13a-DWS - HCD SSD Expenditure Details FY18 |
| Ms. Oritt explained a motion for the committee's consideration. |
| MOTION: House Chair Ray moved to approve the motion #DD26 in the Housing and Communtiy Development line item section on the sheet entitled "Social Services Appropriations Subcommittee - Motions for Consideration" dated 1/25/2019. The motion passed with a vote of 11-0-6. | |||
| Yeas - 11 | Nays-0 | Abs-6 | |
| Sen. A. Christensen Rep. K. Coleman Sen. K. Cullimore Rep. J. Dailey-Provost Rep. S. Hollins Rep. M. Judkins Rep. P. Ray Rep. A. Robertson Rep. T. Seegmiller Rep. N. Thurston Sen. T. Weiler | Sen. J. Adams Rep. B. Daw Sen. L. Escamilla Sen. K. Grover Sen. D. Hemmert Rep. R. Ward |
| 11. DWS Operation Rio Grande - Base Budget |
| 14a-DWS - ORG Expenditure Details FY18 |
| 14c-Issue Brief - 2019 General Session - Operation Rio Grande - Funding and Performance Update |
| Ms. Oritt presented the information. |
| MOTION: House Chair Ray moved to approve the motion #DG1 in the Rio Grande item section on the sheet entitled "Social Services Appropriations Subcommittee - Motions for Consideration" dated 1/25/2019. The motion passed with a vote of 12-0-5. | |||
| Yeas - 12 | Nays-0 | Abs-5 | |
| Sen. A. Christensen Rep. K. Coleman Sen. K. Cullimore Rep. J. Dailey-Provost Rep. S. Hollins Rep. M. Judkins Rep. P. Ray Rep. A. Robertson Rep. T. Seegmiller Rep. N. Thurston Rep. R. Ward Sen. T. Weiler | Sen. J. Adams Rep. B. Daw Sen. L. Escamilla Sen. K. Grover Sen. D. Hemmert |
| 12. DWS Nutrition Assistance - SNAP - Base Budget |
| 15a-DWS - Nutrition Assistance Expenditure Details FY18 |
| Ms. Oritt explained the Base Budget to the committee. |
| MOTION: House Chair Ray moved to approve the motions #DE1 and #DE2 for the General Assistance line item on the sheet entitled "Social Services Appropriations Subcommittee - Motions for Consideration" dated 1/25/2019. The motion passed with a vote of 11-0-6. | |||
| Yeas - 11 | Nays-0 | Abs-6 | |
| Sen. A. Christensen Rep. K. Coleman Sen. K. Cullimore Rep. J. Dailey-Provost Rep. S. Hollins Rep. P. Ray Rep. A. Robertson Rep. T. Seegmiller Rep. N. Thurston Rep. R. Ward Sen. T. Weiler | Sen. J. Adams Rep. B. Daw Sen. L. Escamilla Sen. K. Grover Sen. D. Hemmert Rep. M. Judkins |
| Rep. Robertson asked for clarifying information and Ms. Oritt responded. |
| 13. DWS Office of Child Care - Base Budget |
| 16c-DWS - OCC Expenditure Details FY18 |
| Ms. Oritt presented the information to the committee. |
| Mr. Harrison responded to Chair Christensen's questions. |
| Rep. Robertson asked for clarification and Mr. Harrison responded. |
| Rep. Ward asked clarifying questions and Mr. Harrison responded. |
| Ms. Oritt provided additional information about the possible motions. |
| Mr. Harrison provided more information regarding the potential motions. |
| Rep. Ward asked for clarifying information regarding the potential motions and Mr. Harrison responded. |
| MOTION: House Chair Ray moved to approve the DF motions, except #DF2, for the General Assistance line item on the sheet entitled "Social Services Appropriations Subcommittee - Motions for Consideration" dated 1/25/2019. The motion passed with a vote of 11-0-6. | |||
| Yeas - 11 | Nays-0 | Abs-6 | |
| Sen. A. Christensen Rep. K. Coleman Sen. K. Cullimore Rep. J. Dailey-Provost Rep. S. Hollins Rep. P. Ray Rep. A. Robertson Rep. T. Seegmiller Rep. N. Thurston Rep. R. Ward Sen. T. Weiler | Sen. J. Adams Rep. B. Daw Sen. L. Escamilla Sen. K. Grover Sen. D. Hemmert Rep. M. Judkins |
| Ms. Oritt explained the DJ motions to the committee. |
| 17a-DWS - UI Expenditure Details FY18 |
| MOTION: House Chair Ray moved to approve the DJ motions for the General Assistance line item on the sheet entitled "Social Services Appropriations Subcommittee - Motions for Consideration" dated 1/25/2019. The motion passed with a vote of 11-0-6. | |||
| Yeas - 11 | Nays-0 | Abs-6 | |
| Sen. A. Christensen Rep. K. Coleman Sen. K. Cullimore Rep. J. Dailey-Provost Rep. S. Hollins Rep. P. Ray Rep. A. Robertson Rep. T. Seegmiller Rep. N. Thurston Rep. R. Ward Sen. T. Weiler | Sen. J. Adams Rep. B. Daw Sen. L. Escamilla Sen. K. Grover Sen. D. Hemmert Rep. M. Judkins |
| MOTION: Rep. Seegmiller moved to adjourn. The motion passed with a vote of 11-0-6. | |||
| Yeas - 11 | Nays-0 | Abs-6 | |
| Sen. A. Christensen Rep. K. Coleman Sen. K. Cullimore Rep. J. Dailey-Provost Rep. S. Hollins Rep. P. Ray Rep. A. Robertson Rep. T. Seegmiller Rep. N. Thurston Rep. R. Ward Sen. T. Weiler | Sen. J. Adams Rep. B. Daw Sen. L. Escamilla Sen. K. Grover Sen. D. Hemmert Rep. M. Judkins |
| Chair Christensen adjourned the meeting at 10:52 a.m. |