MINUTES OF THE
BUSINESS AND LABOR INTERIM COMMITTEE
Tuesday, November 17, 2020 • 1:20 p.m. • 210 Senate Building


Members Present:
Sen. Curtis S. Bramble, Chair
Rep. James A. Dunnigan, Chair
Sen. Kirk A. Cullimore
Sen. Gene Davis
Sen. Karen Mayne
Sen. Daniel McCay
Rep. Susan Duckworth
Rep. Craig Hall
Rep. Timothy D. Hawkes
Rep. A. Cory Maloy
Rep. Michael K. McKell
Rep. Calvin R. Musselman
Rep. Derrin R. Owens
Rep. Tim Quinn
Rep. Casey Snider
Rep. Mark A. Wheatley
Rep. Mike Winder

Members Absent:
Sen. Daniel Hemmert
Rep. Francis D. Gibson
Rep. Mike Schultz

Staff Present:
Adam J. Sweet, Policy Analyst
Patrick Grecu, Associate General Counsel
Amy L. West, Associate General Counsel
Leila Reynolds, Administrative Assistant

Note: A copy of related materials and an audio recording of the meeting can be found at www.le.utah.gov.

Chair Bramble called the meeting to order at 1:26 p.m.
1.Committee Business
MOTION:Rep. Dunnigan moved to approve the minutes of the October 20, 2020, meeting.The motion passed with a vote of 11-0-9.
Yeas - 11Nays- 0Abs- 9
Sen. C. Bramble
Sen. K. Cullimore
Sen. G. Davis
Rep. J. Dunnigan
Rep. A. Maloy
Rep. M. McKell
Rep. C. Musselman
Rep. D. Owens
Rep. T. Quinn
Rep. M. Wheatley
Rep. M. Winder
Rep. S. Duckworth
Rep. F. Gibson
Rep. C. Hall
Rep. T. Hawkes
Sen. D. Hemmert
Sen. K. Mayne
Sen. D. McCay
Rep. M. Schultz
Rep. C. Snider
2.Draft Legislation "Government Insurance Amendments"
2A - Government Insurance Amendments (2021 General Session Draft Legislation)
3.Draft Legislation "Insurance Revisions"
3A - Insurance Revisions (2021 General Session Draft Legislation)
Rep. Dunnigan gave a brief overview of the draft legislation.
Tanji Northrup, Interim Commissioner, Insurance Department, presented on the draft legislation.
The committee asked questions of Tanji Northrup and Travis Wegkamp, Director, Captive Insurance Division.
MOTION:Rep. Dunnigan moved to adopt the draft legislation as a committee bill.The motion passed with a vote of 14-1-5.
Yeas - 14Nays- 1Abs- 5
Sen. C. Bramble
Sen. K. Cullimore
Sen. G. Davis
Rep. J. Dunnigan
Rep. C. Hall
Rep. A. Maloy
Sen. K. Mayne
Sen. D. McCay
Rep. M. McKell
Rep. C. Musselman
Rep. T. Quinn
Rep. C. Snider
Rep. M. Wheatley
Rep. M. Winder
Rep. D. Owens
Rep. S. Duckworth
Rep. F. Gibson
Rep. T. Hawkes
Sen. D. Hemmert
Rep. M. Schultz
Committee discussion regarding the draft legislation intent followed.
MOTION:Rep. Dunnigan moved to favorably recommend the draft legislation as a committee bill.The motion passed with a vote of 15-0-5.
Yeas - 15Nays- 0Abs- 5
Sen. C. Bramble
Sen. K. Cullimore
Sen. G. Davis
Rep. J. Dunnigan
Rep. C. Hall
Rep. A. Maloy
Sen. K. Mayne
Sen. D. McCay
Rep. M. McKell
Rep. C. Musselman
Rep. D. Owens
Rep. T. Quinn
Rep. C. Snider
Rep. M. Wheatley
Rep. M. Winder
Rep. S. Duckworth
Rep. F. Gibson
Rep. T. Hawkes
Sen. D. Hemmert
Rep. M. Schultz
4.Draft Legislation "Government Insurance Amendments"
2A - Government Insurance Amendments (2021 General Session Draft Legislation)
Brian Nelson, Director, Division of Risk Management, gave an overview of the draft legislation.
The committee asked questions of the presenter.
MOTION:Rep. Dunnigan moved to favorably recommend the draft legislation.The motion passed with a vote of 14-2-4.
Yeas - 14Nays- 2Abs- 4
Sen. K. Cullimore
Rep. S. Duckworth
Rep. J. Dunnigan
Rep. C. Hall
Rep. A. Maloy
Sen. K. Mayne
Sen. D. McCay
Rep. M. McKell
Rep. C. Musselman
Rep. D. Owens
Rep. T. Quinn
Rep. C. Snider
Rep. M. Wheatley
Rep. M. Winder
Sen. C. Bramble
Sen. G. Davis
Rep. F. Gibson
Rep. T. Hawkes
Sen. D. Hemmert
Rep. M. Schultz
5.Draft Legislation "Physician Assistant Mental Health Practice Amendments"
4A - Physician Assistant Mental Health Practice Amendments (2021 General session Draft Legislation)
Tim McCreary, President, Utah Academy of Physician Assistants, gave an overview of the draft legislation.
The committee asked questions of Tim McCreary.
Dr. Nanci Klein, Director of Professional Affairs, Utah Psychological Association, expressed concerns with the draft legislation.
The committee asked questions of Dr. Klein.
Mark Brinton, Utah Medical Association, spoke on the matter, echoing the concerns of Dr. Klein.
Jonathan Baird made closing comments on the draft legislation.
Sen. Bramble asked questions of Dr. Klein.
Rep. Duckworth commented on the matter.
Chair Bramble opened the meeting to public comment.
Samuel Vincent, Board Member, Utah Chapter of American Psychiatric Nurses Association, commented on the issue, expressing concern with some of the draft language.
MOTION:Rep. Duckworth moved to favorably recommend the draft legislation as a committee bill, followed by committee discussion.The motion passed with a vote of 14-1-5.
Yeas - 14Nays- 1Abs- 5
Sen. C. Bramble
Sen. K. Cullimore
Rep. S. Duckworth
Rep. J. Dunnigan
Rep. C. Hall
Rep. A. Maloy
Sen. D. McCay
Rep. M. McKell
Rep. C. Musselman
Rep. D. Owens
Rep. T. Quinn
Rep. C. Snider
Rep. M. Wheatley
Rep. M. Winder
Sen. G. Davis
Rep. F. Gibson
Rep. T. Hawkes
Sen. D. Hemmert
Sen. K. Mayne
Rep. M. Schultz
6.Draft Legislation "Physician Assistant Act Amendments"
5A - Physician Assistant Act Amendments (2021 General Session Draft Legislation)
Jonathan Baird, Immediate Past President, Utah Academy of Physician Assistants, gave an overview of the draft legislation.
The committee asked questions of Jonathan Baird.
Michelle McOmber, CEO, Utah Medical Association, responded to the draft legislation and the concerns the UMA has with it.
The committee asked questions of the presenters.
Chair Bramble opened the meeting to public comment.
Kim McFarlane, President-Elect, Utah Academy of Physician Assistants, made comments in support of the draft legislation.
Mike Sonntag, Executive Director, Utah Health Insurance Association, offered to work with the physician assistants to work out billing issues, as well as with the bill sponsors.
Charity Coe, Physician Assistant, spoke in support of the draft legislation.
MOTION:Rep. McKell moved to favorably recommend the draft legislation, followed by committee discussion.The motion passed with a vote of 12-2-6.
Yeas - 12Nays- 2Abs- 6
Sen. C. Bramble
Sen. K. Cullimore
Rep. S. Duckworth
Rep. J. Dunnigan
Rep. T. Hawkes
Rep. A. Maloy
Sen. K. Mayne
Rep. M. McKell
Rep. C. Musselman
Rep. D. Owens
Rep. M. Wheatley
Rep. M. Winder
Sen. G. Davis
Sen. D. McCay
Rep. F. Gibson
Rep. C. Hall
Sen. D. Hemmert
Rep. T. Quinn
Rep. M. Schultz
Rep. C. Snider
7.Draft Legislation "Condominium and Community Association Regulation Amendments"
6A - Condominium and Community Association Regulation Amendments (2021 General Session Draft Legislation)
Patrick Grecu gave a quick overview of the draft legislation.
Sarah Mansfield spoke on the matter.
Chair Bramble opened the meeting to public comment.
Michael Johnson, Vice Chair, Legislative Action Committee, Community Association Institute, Owner/CEO, FCS Community Management HOA Living Network, spoke to some concerns about the language of the draft legislation, but supported the idea in general.
MOTION:Sen. Davis moved to favorably recommend the draft legislation.The motion passed with a vote of 14-0-6.
Yeas - 14Nays- 0Abs- 6
Sen. C. Bramble
Sen. K. Cullimore
Sen. G. Davis
Rep. S. Duckworth
Rep. J. Dunnigan
Rep. T. Hawkes
Rep. A. Maloy
Sen. K. Mayne
Sen. D. McCay
Rep. M. McKell
Rep. C. Musselman
Rep. D. Owens
Rep. M. Wheatley
Rep. M. Winder
Rep. F. Gibson
Rep. C. Hall
Sen. D. Hemmert
Rep. T. Quinn
Rep. M. Schultz
Rep. C. Snider
8.Draft Legislation "Post-Employment Restrictions Amendments"
7A - Post-Employment Restrictions Amendments (2021 General Session Draft Legislation)
Sen. Cullimore gave a brief overview of the draft legislation.
Lauren I. Scholnick, Strindberg & Scholnick, LLC, experienced technical difficulties and was not able to speak. Sen. Cullimore summarized for them.
Tim Staley presented on the draft legislation.
MOTION:Sen. Cullimore moved to favorably recommend the draft legislation.The motion passed with a vote of 14-0-6.
Yeas - 14Nays- 0Abs- 6
Sen. C. Bramble
Sen. K. Cullimore
Sen. G. Davis
Rep. S. Duckworth
Rep. J. Dunnigan
Rep. T. Hawkes
Rep. A. Maloy
Sen. K. Mayne
Sen. D. McCay
Rep. M. McKell
Rep. C. Musselman
Rep. D. Owens
Rep. M. Wheatley
Rep. M. Winder
Rep. F. Gibson
Rep. C. Hall
Sen. D. Hemmert
Rep. T. Quinn
Rep. M. Schultz
Rep. C. Snider
9.Draft Legislation "Apprenticeship Utilization Requirements"
9A - Apprenticeship Utilization Requirements (2021 General Session Draft Legislation)
Sen. Hinkins was not present to present. The Chair moved onto the next agenda item.
10.Draft Legislation "Employee Status Amendments"
8A - Employee Status Amendments (2021 General Session Draft Legislation)
8B - Handout: Remote Service Marketplace Platforms Act (Source: Stephenson Consulting)
Howard Stephenson, Stephenson Consulting, presented on the draft legislation.
Shannon Bowles, Online Tutoring Service Provider, spoke in favor of the draft legislation.
MOTION:Rep. Winder moved to favorably recommend the draft legislation.The motion passed with a vote of 12-2-6.
Yeas - 12Nays- 2Abs- 6
Sen. C. Bramble
Sen. K. Cullimore
Sen. G. Davis
Rep. S. Duckworth
Rep. J. Dunnigan
Rep. A. Maloy
Sen. K. Mayne
Sen. D. McCay
Rep. C. Musselman
Rep. D. Owens
Rep. M. Wheatley
Rep. M. Winder
Rep. T. Hawkes
Rep. M. McKell
Rep. F. Gibson
Rep. C. Hall
Sen. D. Hemmert
Rep. T. Quinn
Rep. M. Schultz
Rep. C. Snider
11.Draft Legislation "Apprenticeship Utilization Requirements"
9A - Apprenticeship Utilization Requirements (2021 General Session Draft Legislation)
Sen. Hinkins gave an overview of the draft legislation.
12.Draft Legislation "Board of Financial Institutions Amendments"
10A - Board of Financial Institutions Amendments (2021 General Session Draft Legislation)
Adam Sweet gave an overview of the draft legislation.
MOTION:Rep. Dunnigan moved to favorably recommend the draft legislation.The motion passed with a vote of 14-0-6.
Yeas - 14Nays- 0Abs- 6
Sen. C. Bramble
Sen. K. Cullimore
Sen. G. Davis
Rep. S. Duckworth
Rep. J. Dunnigan
Rep. T. Hawkes
Rep. A. Maloy
Sen. K. Mayne
Sen. D. McCay
Rep. M. McKell
Rep. C. Musselman
Rep. D. Owens
Rep. M. Wheatley
Rep. M. Winder
Rep. F. Gibson
Rep. C. Hall
Sen. D. Hemmert
Rep. T. Quinn
Rep. M. Schultz
Rep. C. Snider
13.Draft Legislation "Residential Mortgage Regulatory Commission Amendments"
11A - Residential Mortgage Regulatory Commission Amendments (2021 General Session Draft Legislation)
Adam Sweet gave an overview of the draft legislation.
MOTION:Sen. Davis moved to favorably recommend the draft legislation.The motion passed with a vote of 14-0-6.
Yeas - 14Nays- 0Abs- 6
Sen. C. Bramble
Sen. K. Cullimore
Sen. G. Davis
Rep. S. Duckworth
Rep. J. Dunnigan
Rep. T. Hawkes
Rep. A. Maloy
Sen. K. Mayne
Sen. D. McCay
Rep. M. McKell
Rep. C. Musselman
Rep. D. Owens
Rep. M. Wheatley
Rep. M. Winder
Rep. F. Gibson
Rep. C. Hall
Sen. D. Hemmert
Rep. T. Quinn
Rep. M. Schultz
Rep. C. Snider
14.Draft Legislation "Commercial Interior Designers Act Amendments"
12A - Commercial Interior Designers Act Amendments (2021 General Session Draft Legislation)
Adam Sweet gave an overview of the draft legislation.
Rep. Dunnigan asked a question of Adam Sweet.
MOTION:Sen. Davis moved to favorably recommend the draft legislation.The motion passed with a vote of 13-1-6.
Yeas - 13Nays- 1Abs- 6
Sen. K. Cullimore
Sen. G. Davis
Rep. S. Duckworth
Rep. J. Dunnigan
Rep. T. Hawkes
Rep. A. Maloy
Sen. K. Mayne
Sen. D. McCay
Rep. M. McKell
Rep. C. Musselman
Rep. D. Owens
Rep. M. Wheatley
Rep. M. Winder
Sen. C. Bramble
Rep. F. Gibson
Rep. C. Hall
Sen. D. Hemmert
Rep. T. Quinn
Rep. M. Schultz
Rep. C. Snider
15.Department of Alcoholic Beverage Control Funding Mechanism
Sen. Davis gave an overview on the issue.
Rep. Dunnigan assumed the chair.
Rep. Hawkes presented on the draft legislation.
The committee discussed the issue.
MOTION:Rep. Owens moved to support the alcohol-related policies that Sen. Davis and Rep. Hawkes are working on.The motion passed with a vote of 13-0-7.
Yeas - 13Nays- 0Abs- 7
Sen. K. Cullimore
Sen. G. Davis
Rep. S. Duckworth
Rep. J. Dunnigan
Rep. T. Hawkes
Rep. A. Maloy
Sen. K. Mayne
Sen. D. McCay
Rep. M. McKell
Rep. C. Musselman
Rep. D. Owens
Rep. M. Wheatley
Rep. M. Winder
Sen. C. Bramble
Rep. F. Gibson
Rep. C. Hall
Sen. D. Hemmert
Rep. T. Quinn
Rep. M. Schultz
Rep. C. Snider
16.Competency-Based Licensing
13A - Competency-Based Assessment (Source: Vametric, Inc)
Rep. Thurston gave a quick overview of the matter.
Robert Smart, President, Vametric, Inc., presented on the issue.
Rep. Thurston made closing comments.
Sen. Bramble resumed the chair.
17.Required Reports
Chair Bramble briefly explained the reports that had been emailed out to the committee.
18.Other Items/Adjourn
The committee chairs thanked Rep. Duckworth for their years of service and congratulated them on their retirement.
MOTION:Rep. Duckworth moved to adjourn.The motion passed with a vote of 13-1-6.
Yeas - 13Nays- 1Abs- 6
Sen. C. Bramble
Sen. K. Cullimore
Sen. G. Davis
Rep. S. Duckworth
Rep. J. Dunnigan
Rep. T. Hawkes
Rep. A. Maloy
Sen. K. Mayne
Sen. D. McCay
Rep. M. McKell
Rep. C. Musselman
Rep. M. Wheatley
Rep. M. Winder
Rep. D. Owens
Rep. F. Gibson
Rep. C. Hall
Sen. D. Hemmert
Rep. T. Quinn
Rep. M. Schultz
Rep. C. Snider
The meeting adjourned at 3:57 p.m.