| Members Present: Sen. Jacob L. Anderegg, Senate Chair Rep. Raymond P. Ward, House Chair Rep. Ken Ivory, House Vice Chair Sen. Luz Escamilla Sen. John D. Johnson Sen. Michael S. Kennedy Sen. Daniel W. Thatcher Rep. Jennifer Dailey-Provost Rep. Sandra Hollins Rep. Marsha Judkins Rep. Michael L. Kohler Rep. Michael J. Petersen | Rep. Karen M. Peterson Rep. Candice B. Pierucci Rep. Norman K. Thurston Members Absent: President J. Stuart Adams Sen. Todd D. Weiler Staff Present: Sean C. Faherty, Finance Officer Russell T. Frandsen, Finance Officer Kimberly D. Madsen, Financial Analyst An Bradshaw, Committee Secretary |
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Note: A copy of related materials and an audio recording of the meeting can be found at www.le.utah.gov.
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| 1.8:00 Call to Order |
| Chair Anderegg called the meeting to order at 8:20 a.m. |
| 2.8:05 Unfinished Items from the Previous Agenda |
| There was no unfinished business from the previous agenda. |
| 3.8:05 Public Input on Topics on Today's Agenda |
| Shawn McMillen, First Step House, spoke in favor of funding for affordable housing for individuals requiring support services. |
| Gina Cornia, Utahns Against Hunger, spoke in opposition to cuts in funding for Social Services. |
| Robert Roake, NeighborWorks Salt Lake, spoke in support of funding for affordable housing. |
| Tara Rollins, Utah Housing Coalition, thanked those involved in funding housing infrastructure. |
| Camille Winnie, The Other Side Village, spoke in support of funding for deeply affordable housing. |
| Cameron Diehl, representing the Utah League of Cities and Towns, spoke in support of funding for affordable housing and housing affordability in Utah. |
| Mike Gallegos, representing Salt Lake County and the Commission on Housing Affordability, spoke in support of funding for agenda items 8, 9 and 11. |
| 4.8:15 Intergenerational Poverty Updates and Annual Report |
| 4-DWS IGP Annual Report 2022 |
| Casey Cameron, Department of Workforce Services (DWS) Executive Director, presented the report on intergenerational poverty. |
| 5.8:30 Department of Workforce Services (DWS) - Base Budget Overview |
| 5b-Legislative Facility Cost SFY 2022 |
| 5c-DWS Funds Balances 2022GS |
| 5d-Issue Brief - 2022 General Session - Federal Funds - DWS |
| 5e-DWS Caseloads for COBI FY 2021 |
| 5f-DWS Performance Measures |
| 5g-Issue Brief - 2022 General Session - Fees - DWS |
| Kimberly Madsen provided the overview of the base budget for DWS. |
| Rep. Ward assumed the chair. |
| MOTION:Rep. Thatcher moved to approve DA1 from the sheet entitled "Motions for Consideration."The motion passed with a vote of 11-0-6. | |||
| Yeas - 11 | Nays- 0 | Abs- 6 | |
| Rep. S. Hollins Rep. K. Ivory Sen. J. Johnson Rep. M. Judkins Sen. M. Kennedy Rep. M. Kohler Rep. M. Petersen Rep. K. Peterson Rep. C. Pierucci Sen. D. Thatcher Rep. R. Ward | Sen. J. Adams Sen. J. Anderegg Rep. J. Dailey-Provost Sen. L. Escamilla Rep. N. Thurston Sen. T. Weiler |
| 6.8:40 DWS Administration - Base Budget |
| 6d-Expenditures - Administration Line Item |
| Kimberly Madsen continued with the explanation of the base budget for DWS. |
| Kevin Burt, DWS Deputy Director, and Nathan Harrison, DWS Director of Administrative Support, provided the agency's response to the report. |
| Rep. Dailey-Provost asked for information on what would be the result if funds were cut, and Kevin Burt responded. |
| Rep. Judkins asked if there was data for the efficacy of reemployment programs, and Kevin Burt responded. |
| Sen. Anderegg resumed the chair. |
| Rep. Petersen asked what the process is regarding budget cuts, and Kimberly Madsen responded. |
| Rep. Ward provided additional information regarding possible budget cuts. |
| MOTION:Rep. Dailey-Provost moved to remove item 11 from the list.The motion passed with a vote of 10-0-7. | |||
| Yeas - 10 | Nays- 0 | Abs- 7 | |
| Sen. J. Anderegg Rep. J. Dailey-Provost Rep. S. Hollins Rep. K. Ivory Sen. J. Johnson Rep. M. Judkins Rep. M. Petersen Rep. K. Peterson Sen. D. Thatcher Rep. R. Ward | Sen. J. Adams Sen. L. Escamilla Sen. M. Kennedy Rep. M. Kohler Rep. C. Pierucci Rep. N. Thurston Sen. T. Weiler |
| Kimberly Madsen continued with the explanation of the base budget for DWS, discussing federal funds. |
| Nathan Harrison discussed possible motions for the committee to consider. |
| Kimberly Madsen provided additional information on motions. |
| MOTION:Rep. Ward moved to approve the DB motions on the sheet entitled "Motions for Consideration."The motion passed with a vote of 9-0-8. | |||
| Yeas - 9 | Nays- 0 | Abs- 8 | |
| Sen. J. Anderegg Rep. J. Dailey-Provost Rep. S. Hollins Sen. J. Johnson Rep. M. Judkins Rep. M. Petersen Sen. D. Thatcher Rep. N. Thurston Rep. R. Ward | Sen. J. Adams Sen. L. Escamilla Rep. K. Ivory Sen. M. Kennedy Rep. M. Kohler Rep. K. Peterson Rep. C. Pierucci Sen. T. Weiler |
| 7.8:50 DWS General Assistance - Base Budget |
| 8c-Expenditures - HCD Line Item |
| Kimberly Madsen provided an overview of the General Assistance - Base Budget for DWS. |
| Liz Carver, Director of Workforce Programs, provided a response to the base budget. |
| Nathan Harrison provided additional information on the agency's spending process. |
| Rep. Ward commented on the use of non-lapsing and one-time funds for programs. |
| MOTION:Rep. Ward moved to reduce the cut to $200,000 of on-going money. |
| Rep. Dailey-Provost asked staff about appropriate procedures and Rep. Ward replied. |
| Rep. Thurston requested clarification on the motion and Rep. Ward responded. Rep. Thurston spoke in opposition to the motion. |
| Sen. Johnson also spoke in opposition to the motion. |
| Rep. Ward's motion failed with a vote 2-6-9. | |||
| Yeas - 2 | Nays- 6 | Abs- 9 | |
| Rep. J. Dailey-Provost Rep. R. Ward | Sen. J. Anderegg Rep. K. Ivory Sen. J. Johnson Rep. M. Petersen Sen. D. Thatcher Rep. N. Thurston | Sen. J. Adams Sen. L. Escamilla Rep. S. Hollins Rep. M. Judkins Sen. M. Kennedy Rep. M. Kohler Rep. K. Peterson Rep. C. Pierucci Sen. T. Weiler |
| Kimberly Madsen explained a motion for consideration. |
| MOTION:Rep. Ward moved to approve the DC1 motion on the sheet entitled "Motions for Consideration."The motion passed with a vote of 9-0-8. | |||
| Yeas - 9 | Nays- 0 | Abs- 8 | |
| Sen. J. Anderegg Rep. J. Dailey-Provost Rep. S. Hollins Sen. J. Johnson Rep. M. Judkins Rep. M. Petersen Sen. D. Thatcher Rep. N. Thurston Rep. R. Ward | Sen. J. Adams Sen. L. Escamilla Rep. K. Ivory Sen. M. Kennedy Rep. M. Kohler Rep. K. Peterson Rep. C. Pierucci Sen. T. Weiler |
| 8.9:00 DWS Housing and Community Development (HCD) - Base Budget |
| Christina Oliver, Director of Housing and Community Development, provided input on the budget item. |
| Kimberly Madsen discussed requests for federal funding. |
| Rep. Ivory expressed concerns about the sustainability of federal funds for housing programs, and Nathan Harrison responded. |
| 8c-Expenditures - HCD Line Item |
| Kimberly Madsen continued with her presentation, discussing caseload trends. |
| Chair Anderegg discussed a trip to the Navajo Nation and the extensive need he saw for weatherization funding. Nathan Harrison responded. |
| Rep. Ivory asked how COVID could impact the weatherization program, and Christina Oliver responded. |
| Kimberly Madsen explained associated funds and potential motions. |
| Nathan Harrison provided the agency's response to the possible motions. |
| MOTION:Rep. Ward moved to approve the DD motions on the sheet entitled "Motions for Consideration."The motion passed with a vote of 11-0-6. | |||
| Yeas - 11 | Nays- 0 | Abs- 6 | |
| Sen. J. Anderegg Rep. J. Dailey-Provost Sen. L. Escamilla Rep. S. Hollins Rep. K. Ivory Sen. M. Kennedy Rep. M. Kohler Rep. M. Petersen Sen. D. Thatcher Rep. N. Thurston Rep. R. Ward | Sen. J. Adams Sen. J. Johnson Rep. M. Judkins Rep. K. Peterson Rep. C. Pierucci Sen. T. Weiler |
| 9.9:15 DWS Olene Walker Housing Loan Fund - Base Budget |
| Kimberly Madsen discussed the funding requests. |
| 10.9:20 Legislative Audit on Performance of Homeless Services System |
| 10-OLAG An In-Depth Follow-up of the Oversight and Management of Utah's Homeless Services System |
| Brian Dean, Office of the Legislative Auditor (OLA) Deputy Auditor General, and Jim Behunin, OLA Senior Audit Supervisor, presented the audit. |
| Rep. Dailey-Provost asked for insight on the definition of homeless, and Jim Behunin responded. |
| Rep. Hollins asked for information on those who are overlooked in homeless counts, and Jim Behunin and Chair Anderegg responded. |
| Rep. Ivory asked how we can really change massive macroeconomic problems, and Jim Behunin and Brian Dean responded. |
| Rep. Ivory asked for clarification on the demand for housing, and Jim Behunin, Brian Dean, and Chair Anderegg responded. |
| Rep. Hollins thanked the auditors and asked how much the state invested in the Magnolia Project. Jim Behunin, Chair Anderegg, Brian Dean, and Christina Oliver responded |
| Rep. Ivory asked about the metrics used in measuring homelessness, and Brian Dean responded. |
| Jim Behunin recommended tracking the flow of the homeless population to measure successful and unsuccessful outcomes. |
| Chair Anderegg suggested the audit data be presented to the Homeless Services Committee. |
| 11.9:40 DWS Office of Homeless Services - Base Budget |
| 11c-Expenditures - Operation Rio Grande Line Item |
| Wayne Niederhauser, State Homeless Services Coordinator, responded to the audit and discussed the types of populations who comprise the homeless. |
| Rep. Hollins asked if there is data specific to the elderly and homelessness, and Wayne Niederhauser responded. |
| Rep. Ivory asked for information on the mitigation fund for cities with homeless shelters, and Wayne Niederhauser responded. |
| Kimberly Madsen explained potential motions. |
| MOTION:Rep. Ward moved to approve the DK motions on the sheet entitled "Motions for Consideration."The motion passed with a vote of 10-0-7. | |||
| Yeas - 10 | Nays- 0 | Abs- 7 | |
| Sen. J. Anderegg Rep. J. Dailey-Provost Rep. S. Hollins Rep. K. Ivory Sen. J. Johnson Rep. M. Judkins Sen. M. Kennedy Rep. M. Kohler Rep. K. Peterson Rep. R. Ward | Sen. J. Adams Sen. L. Escamilla Rep. M. Petersen Rep. C. Pierucci Sen. D. Thatcher Rep. N. Thurston Sen. T. Weiler |
| 12.9:55 Temporary Assistance for Needy Families |
| This item was not discussed. |
| 13.10:25 DWS Permanent Community Impact/Community Development Capital - Base |
| The item was not discussed. |
| 14.10:30 DWS Special Services District - Base Budget |
| The item was not discussed. |
| 15.10:35 DWS Nutrition Assistance - SNAP - Base Budget |
| The item was not discussed. |
| 16.10:40 DWS Unemployment Insurance - Base Budget |
| The item was not discussed. |
| 17.10:50 Other Business |
| There was no discussion of other business. |
| 18.10:40 Written Reports |
| There were no written reports. |
| MOTION:Rep. Ward moved to adjourn.The motion passed with a vote of 10-0-7. | |||
| Yeas - 10 | Nays- 0 | Abs- 7 | |
| Sen. J. Anderegg Rep. J. Dailey-Provost Rep. S. Hollins Rep. K. Ivory Sen. J. Johnson Rep. M. Judkins Sen. M. Kennedy Rep. M. Kohler Rep. K. Peterson Rep. R. Ward | Sen. J. Adams Sen. L. Escamilla Rep. M. Petersen Rep. C. Pierucci Sen. D. Thatcher Rep. N. Thurston Sen. T. Weiler |
| Chair Anderegg adjourned the meeting at 10:37 a.m. |