MINUTES OF THE
HOUSE JUDICIARY STANDING COMMITTEE
Friday, February 2, 2024 • 3:40 p.m. • 110 Senate Building


Members Present:
Rep. Jon Hawkins, Chair
Rep. Nelson T. Abbott, Vice Chair
Rep. Cheryl K. Acton
Rep. Kera Birkeland
Rep. Tyler Clancy
Rep. Brian S. King
Rep. Karianne Lisonbee
Rep. Judy Weeks Rohner
Rep. Rex P. Shipp
Rep. Christine F. Watkins
Rep. Mark A. Wheatley

Members Absent:
Rep. Anthony E. Loubet

Staff Present:
Jonathan Adams, Policy Analyst
Tisha Gibby, Committee Secretary

Note: A copy of related materials and an audio recording of the meeting can be found at www.le.utah.gov.
Chair Hawkins called the meeting to order at 3:52 p.m.
MOTION:Rep. King moved to approve the January 30, 2024 minutes.The motion passed with a vote of 7-0-5.
Yeas - 7Nays- 0Abs- 5
Rep. C. Acton
Rep. J. Hawkins
Rep. B. King
Rep. K. Lisonbee
Rep. J. Rohner
Rep. R. Shipp
Rep. M. Wheatley
Rep. N. Abbott
Rep. K. Birkeland
Rep. T. Clancy
Rep. A. Loubet
Rep. C. Watkins
1.H.B. 362 Juvenile Justice Revisions (Lisonbee, K.)
Rep. Lisonbee presented the bill.
Brett Peterson, Director, Division of Juvenile Justice and Youth Services, spoke to the bill.
Susan Edwards, Canyon School District, spoke to the bill.
Dustin Fowler, Lieutenant, Metro Gang Unit, spoke in favor of the bill.
MOTION:Rep. Acton moved to replace H.B. 362 with 1st Substitute H.B. 362.The motion passed with a vote of 8-0-4.
Yeas - 8Nays- 0Abs- 4
Rep. C. Acton
Rep. K. Birkeland
Rep. J. Hawkins
Rep. B. King
Rep. K. Lisonbee
Rep. J. Rohner
Rep. R. Shipp
Rep. M. Wheatley
Rep. N. Abbott
Rep. T. Clancy
Rep. A. Loubet
Rep. C. Watkins
MOTION:Rep. Birkeland moved to amend 1st Substitute H.B. 362 with Amendment #1.The motion passed with a vote of 8-0-4.
Amendment 1
1st Sub. H.B. 362
1 .        Page 18, Lines 532 through 537 :  Page 18, Lines 532 through 537
532                 (4) This section does not apply if the actor:
533                 (a) possesses a dangerous weapon that is a firearm ;
534                 (b) has permission from the actor's parent or guardian to possess the { dangerous
535         weapon } firearm ; and
536                 (c) is accompanied by the actor's parent or guardian, or a responsible adult, while the
537         actor has the { dangerous weapon } firearm in the actor's possession.

Yeas - 8Nays- 0Abs- 4
Rep. C. Acton
Rep. K. Birkeland
Rep. J. Hawkins
Rep. B. King
Rep. K. Lisonbee
Rep. J. Rohner
Rep. R. Shipp
Rep. M. Wheatley
Rep. N. Abbott
Rep. T. Clancy
Rep. A. Loubet
Rep. C. Watkins
MOTION:Rep. Shipp moved to pass 1st Substitute H.B. 362 out favorably as amended.The motion passed with a vote of 8-0-4.
Yeas - 8Nays- 0Abs- 4
Rep. C. Acton
Rep. K. Birkeland
Rep. J. Hawkins
Rep. B. King
Rep. K. Lisonbee
Rep. J. Rohner
Rep. R. Shipp
Rep. M. Wheatley
Rep. N. Abbott
Rep. T. Clancy
Rep. A. Loubet
Rep. C. Watkins
2.H.B. 366 Criminal Justice Amendments (Lisonbee, K.)
Rep. Lisonbee presented the bill.
MOTION:Rep. Shipp moved to replace H.B. 366 with 1st Substitute H.B. 366.The motion passed with a vote of 8-0-4.
Yeas - 8Nays- 0Abs- 4
Rep. C. Acton
Rep. K. Birkeland
Rep. J. Hawkins
Rep. B. King
Rep. K. Lisonbee
Rep. J. Rohner
Rep. R. Shipp
Rep. M. Wheatley
Rep. N. Abbott
Rep. T. Clancy
Rep. A. Loubet
Rep. C. Watkins
MOTION:Rep. Shipp moved to amend 1st Substitute H.B. 366 with Amendment #1.The motion passed with a vote of 8-0-4.
Amendment 1
1st Sub. H.B. 366
1 .        Page 3, Lines 79 through 82 :  Page 3, Lines 79 through 82
79                 { (3) (a) Except as provided in Subsection (3)(b), the chair of a council is the county
80         commissioner or county council member described in Subsection (2)(a)(i).
81                   (b) The county commissioner or county council member may designate a member of
82         the council, who is an elected official, to serve as the chair of the council. }
(3) (a) A member who is an elected county official shall serve as the chair of the council.
(b) The council shall elect the member to serve as chair under Subsection (3)(a).

Yeas - 8Nays- 0Abs- 4
Rep. C. Acton
Rep. K. Birkeland
Rep. J. Hawkins
Rep. B. King
Rep. K. Lisonbee
Rep. J. Rohner
Rep. R. Shipp
Rep. M. Wheatley
Rep. N. Abbott
Rep. T. Clancy
Rep. A. Loubet
Rep. C. Watkins
MOTION:Rep. Shipp moved to pass 1st Substitute H.B. 366 out favorably as amended.The motion passed with a vote of 8-0-4.
Yeas - 8Nays- 0Abs- 4
Rep. C. Acton
Rep. K. Birkeland
Rep. J. Hawkins
Rep. B. King
Rep. K. Lisonbee
Rep. J. Rohner
Rep. R. Shipp
Rep. M. Wheatley
Rep. N. Abbott
Rep. T. Clancy
Rep. A. Loubet
Rep. C. Watkins
3.H.B. 352 Amendments to Expungement (Lisonbee, K.)
MOTION:Chair Hawkins moved to saunter.The motion passed with a vote of 8-0-4.
Yeas - 8Nays- 0Abs- 4
Rep. C. Acton
Rep. K. Birkeland
Rep. J. Hawkins
Rep. B. King
Rep. K. Lisonbee
Rep. J. Rohner
Rep. R. Shipp
Rep. M. Wheatley
Rep. N. Abbott
Rep. T. Clancy
Rep. A. Loubet
Rep. C. Watkins
Chair Hawkins called the meeting back to order.
4.H.B. 197 Requirements for Supported Decision-making Agreements (Judkins, M.)
Rep. Marsha Judkins presented the bill with the assistance of Robert Jones, advocate, and Nate Crippes, Disability Law Center of Utah.
Aubrey Snyder, Program Manager, Institute for Disability Research Policy and Practice, spoke in favor of the bill.
Jackie Warren, mother of an autistic son, spoke in favor of the bill.
Mary Urie, Policy Specialist, Utah Developmental Disabilities Council, spoke in favor of the bill.
Rep. Abbott assumed the chair.
Eric Stoker, citizen and advocate, spoke in favor of the bill.
Tamera Dalton, advocate, spoke in favor of the bill.
Rep. Hawkins resumed the chair.
Robert Jones, advocate, spoke in favor of the bill.
MOTION:Chair Hawkins moved to pass H.B. 197 out favorably.The motion passed with a vote of 9-1-2.
Yeas - 9Nays- 1Abs- 2
Rep. N. Abbott
Rep. C. Acton
Rep. K. Birkeland
Rep. T. Clancy
Rep. J. Hawkins
Rep. K. Lisonbee
Rep. J. Rohner
Rep. R. Shipp
Rep. M. Wheatley
Rep. B. King
Rep. A. Loubet
Rep. C. Watkins
5.H.B. 334 Warning Label Amendments (Brammer, B.)
Rep. Brady Brammer presented the bill.
Darlene McDonald, advocate, spoke to the bill.
MOTION:Rep. Clancy moved to pass H.B. 334 out favorably.The motion passed with a vote of 9-1-2.
Yeas - 9Nays- 1Abs- 2
Rep. N. Abbott
Rep. C. Acton
Rep. K. Birkeland
Rep. T. Clancy
Rep. J. Hawkins
Rep. K. Lisonbee
Rep. J. Rohner
Rep. R. Shipp
Rep. M. Wheatley
Rep. B. King
Rep. A. Loubet
Rep. C. Watkins
6.H.B. 396 Workplace Discrimination Amendments (Brammer, B.)
Rep. Brammer presented the bill with the assistance of Robin Wilson, law professor, speaking in her own behalf.
Dave Davis, President, Utah Retail Merchants Association, spoke to the bill.
Ginger Chinn, Vice President of Public Policy, Salt Lake Chamber, spoke to the bill.
Dalane England, Utah Eagle Forum, spoke in favor of the bill.
Tanner Bean, attorney, speaking in his own behalf, spoke in favor of the bill.
Stan Rasmussen, Sutherland Institute, spoke in favor of the bill.
MOTION:Rep. Lisonbee moved to amend H.B. 396 with Amendment #1.The motion passed with a vote of 10-0-2.
Amendment 1
H.B. 396
1 .        Page 1, Lines 12 through 16 :  Page 1, Lines 12 through 16
12                 ▸         prohibits an employer from compelling an employee to communicate or otherwise
13         act in a manner that the employee believes would burden or offend the employee's
14         religious { , moral, or conscientious } beliefs.
15         Money Appropriated in this Bill:
16                 None

2 .        Page 2, Lines 28 through 30 :  Page 2, Lines 28 through 30
28         action, or inaction that burdens or offends a religious { , moral, or conscientious } belief, including
29         dress and grooming requirements, speech, scheduling, prayer, and abstention, including
30         abstentions relating to healthcare.

3 .        Page 2, Lines 43 through 46 :  Page 2, Lines 43 through 46
43                 (4) An employer may not compel an employee to engage in religiously objectionable
44         expression that the employee reasonably believes would burden or offend the employee's
45         religious { , moral, or conscientious } beliefs, unless accommodating the employee would cause an
46         undue burden to the employer by substantially interfering with the employer's:

Yeas - 10Nays- 0Abs- 2
Rep. N. Abbott
Rep. C. Acton
Rep. K. Birkeland
Rep. T. Clancy
Rep. J. Hawkins
Rep. B. King
Rep. K. Lisonbee
Rep. R. Shipp
Rep. C. Watkins
Rep. M. Wheatley
Rep. A. Loubet
Rep. J. Rohner
MOTION:Rep. Lisonbee moved to pass H.B. 396 out favorably as amended.The motion passed with a vote of 9-2-1.
Yeas - 9Nays- 2Abs- 1
Rep. N. Abbott
Rep. C. Acton
Rep. K. Birkeland
Rep. T. Clancy
Rep. J. Hawkins
Rep. K. Lisonbee
Rep. J. Rohner
Rep. R. Shipp
Rep. C. Watkins
Rep. B. King
Rep. M. Wheatley
Rep. A. Loubet
SUBSTITUTE MOTION:Rep. King moved to amend H.B. 396 to insert the words "sincerely held" in the following places:between the words "employees" and "religious" on lines 13, 14, 44, and 45, and before the word "religious" on line 28.The substitute motion failed with a vote of 2-9-1.
Yeas - 2Nays- 9Abs- 1
Rep. B. King
Rep. M. Wheatley
Rep. N. Abbott
Rep. C. Acton
Rep. K. Birkeland
Rep. T. Clancy
Rep. J. Hawkins
Rep. K. Lisonbee
Rep. J. Rohner
Rep. R. Shipp
Rep. C. Watkins
Rep. A. Loubet
7.H.B. 352 Amendments to Expungement (Lisonbee, K.)
HB352 handout
Rep. Lisonbee presented the bill.
Destiny Garcia, Executive Director, Clean Slate Utah, spoke to the bill.
Evan Done, Associate Director, Utah Support Advocates for Recovery Awareness, spoke to the bill.
Justin Hughes, Young People in Recovery, spoke to the bill.
Sam Knight, Criminal Defense Attorney Association, spoke in favor of the bill.
Chad Jensen, Cache County Sheriff, and in behalf of Utah Sheriffs' Association, spoke in favor of the bill.
Will Carlson, Salt Lake County District Attorney's Office, spoke in favor of the bill.
Nicole Borgeson, Assistant Director, Bureau of Criminal Investigation, spoke to the bill.
Michael Drechsel, Assistant State Court Administrator, spoke in favor of the bill.
Tyler Hansen, Co-Owner, Steps Recovery Center, spoke in favor of the bill.
Jacquleyn Gardner, citizen, spoke to the bill.
Darlene McDonald, citizen, spoke to the bill.
Lisa Walker, Executive Director, Utah Peer Network, spoke to the bill.
MOTION:Rep. Abbott moved to replace H.B. 352 with 3rd Substitute H.B. 352.The motion passed with a vote of 11-0-1.
Yeas - 11Nays- 0Abs- 1
Rep. N. Abbott
Rep. C. Acton
Rep. K. Birkeland
Rep. T. Clancy
Rep. J. Hawkins
Rep. B. King
Rep. K. Lisonbee
Rep. J. Rohner
Rep. R. Shipp
Rep. C. Watkins
Rep. M. Wheatley
Rep. A. Loubet
MOTION:Rep. Birkeland moved to amend 3rd Substitute H.B. 352 with Amendment #1.The motion passed with a vote of 6-5-1.
Amendment 1
3rd Sub. H.B. 352
1 .        Page 2, Lines 54 through 56 :  Page 2, Lines 54 through 56
54                 ▸         requires a court to find an individual indigent if the individual submits an affidavit
55         of indigency demonstrating that the individual has an income at or below { 250 } 175 % of
56         the United States poverty level;

2 .        Page 49, Lines 1504 through 1506 :  Page 49, Lines 1504 through 1506
1504                 (b) if the cause is a petition for expungement, the individual has an income level at or
1505         below { 250 } 175 % of the United States poverty level as defined by the most recent poverty income
1506         guidelines published by the United States Department of Health and Human Services;

Yeas - 6Nays- 5Abs- 1
Rep. N. Abbott
Rep. K. Birkeland
Rep. T. Clancy
Rep. J. Hawkins
Rep. K. Lisonbee
Rep. R. Shipp
Rep. C. Acton
Rep. B. King
Rep. J. Rohner
Rep. C. Watkins
Rep. M. Wheatley
Rep. A. Loubet
MOTION:Rep. Clancy moved to pass 3rd Substitute H.B. 352 out favorably as amended.The motion passed with a vote of 10-1-1.
Yeas - 10Nays- 1Abs- 1
Rep. N. Abbott
Rep. C. Acton
Rep. K. Birkeland
Rep. T. Clancy
Rep. J. Hawkins
Rep. K. Lisonbee
Rep. J. Rohner
Rep. R. Shipp
Rep. C. Watkins
Rep. M. Wheatley
Rep. B. King
Rep. A. Loubet
MOTION:Rep. Shipp moved to adjourn.The motion failed with a vote of 3-7-2.
Yeas - 3Nays- 7Abs- 2
Rep. C. Acton
Rep. J. Hawkins
Rep. R. Shipp
Rep. N. Abbott
Rep. T. Clancy
Rep. B. King
Rep. K. Lisonbee
Rep. J. Rohner
Rep. C. Watkins
Rep. M. Wheatley
Rep. K. Birkeland
Rep. A. Loubet
8.H.B. 308 Crime Victim Amendments (Clancy, T.)
HB308 handout
Rep. Clancy presented the bill with the assistance of Tyler Cotter, Chief of Investigations, Department of Public Safety.
Marlesse Jones, Director, Victim Services Commission, spoke in favor of the bill.
MOTION:Rep. Clancy moved to amend H.B. 308 with Amendment #1.The motion passed with a vote of 10-0-2.
Amendment 1
H.B. 308
1 .        Page 12, Lines 344 through 345 :  Page 12, Lines 344 through 345
344                 [(2)] (4) The council may:
345                 (a) { advocate for a victim's rights in an appellate court; } subject to court rules and the governor's approval, petition to file an amicus brief in an appellate court in a case affecting a victim's rights;

Yeas - 10Nays- 0Abs- 2
Rep. N. Abbott
Rep. C. Acton
Rep. T. Clancy
Rep. J. Hawkins
Rep. B. King
Rep. K. Lisonbee
Rep. J. Rohner
Rep. R. Shipp
Rep. C. Watkins
Rep. M. Wheatley
Rep. K. Birkeland
Rep. A. Loubet
MOTION:Rep. Shipp moved to pass H.B. 308 out favorably as amended.The motion passed with a vote of 10-0-2.
Yeas - 10Nays- 0Abs- 2
Rep. N. Abbott
Rep. C. Acton
Rep. T. Clancy
Rep. J. Hawkins
Rep. B. King
Rep. K. Lisonbee
Rep. J. Rohner
Rep. R. Shipp
Rep. C. Watkins
Rep. M. Wheatley
Rep. K. Birkeland
Rep. A. Loubet
9.H.B. 203 Involuntary Commitment Amendments (Abbott, N.)
Rep. Abbott presented the bill.
MOTION:Rep. Shipp moved to replace H.B. 203 with 1st Substitute H.B. 203.The motion passed with a vote of 9-0-3.
Yeas - 9Nays- 0Abs- 3
Rep. N. Abbott
Rep. C. Acton
Rep. T. Clancy
Rep. J. Hawkins
Rep. B. King
Rep. K. Lisonbee
Rep. R. Shipp
Rep. C. Watkins
Rep. M. Wheatley
Rep. K. Birkeland
Rep. A. Loubet
Rep. J. Rohner
MOTION:Rep. Shipp moved to pass 1st Substitute H.B. 203 out favorably.The motion passed with a vote of 9-0-3.
Yeas - 9Nays- 0Abs- 3
Rep. N. Abbott
Rep. C. Acton
Rep. T. Clancy
Rep. J. Hawkins
Rep. B. King
Rep. K. Lisonbee
Rep. R. Shipp
Rep. C. Watkins
Rep. M. Wheatley
Rep. K. Birkeland
Rep. A. Loubet
Rep. J. Rohner
MOTION:Rep. Shipp moved to adjourn.The motion passed with a vote of 9-0-3.
Yeas - 9Nays- 0Abs- 3
Rep. N. Abbott
Rep. C. Acton
Rep. T. Clancy
Rep. J. Hawkins
Rep. B. King
Rep. K. Lisonbee
Rep. R. Shipp
Rep. C. Watkins
Rep. M. Wheatley
Rep. K. Birkeland
Rep. A. Loubet
Rep. J. Rohner
Chair Hawkins adjourned the meeting at 6:40 p.m.