MINUTES OF THE
HOUSE JUDICIARY STANDING COMMITTEE
Monday, February 3, 2025 • 2:00 p.m. • 110 Senate Building


Members Present:
Rep. Nelson T. Abbott, Chair
Rep. Tyler Clancy, Vice Chair
Rep. Cheryl K. Acton
Rep. Tiara Auxier
Rep. Stephanie Gricius
Rep. Jon Hawkins
Rep. Karianne Lisonbee
Rep. Anthony E. Loubet
Rep. Verona Mauga
Rep. Grant Amjad Miller
Rep. Jason E. Thompson

Staff Present:
Jonathan Adams, Policy Analyst
Reese Boardman, Committee Secretary

Note: A copy of related materials and an audio recording of the meeting can be found at www.le.utah.gov.
Chair Abbott called the meeting to order.
1.1st Sub. H.B. 312 Criminal Justice Amendments (Lisonbee, K.)
2.H.B. 141 Adoption Modifications (Shipp, R.P.)
Rep. Shipp along with Timothy Daniels, Utah Adoption Law Center, presented the bill.
Michael Jarman, resident, spoke in opposition to the bill.
Denise Kimber, Youth Providers Association, spoke in favor of the bill.
Jackie Warren, resident, spoke to the bill.
MOTION:Rep. Gricius moved to pass H.B. 141 out favorably.The motion passed with a vote of 9-0-2.
Yeas - 9Nays- 0Abs- 2
Rep. N. Abbott
Rep. C. Acton
Rep. T. Auxier
Rep. T. Clancy
Rep. S. Gricius
Rep. J. Hawkins
Rep. A. Loubet
Rep. G. Miller
Rep. J. Thompson
Rep. K. Lisonbee
Rep. V. Mauga
MOTION:Rep. Gricius moved to place H.B. 141 on the Consent Calendar.The motion passed with a vote of 10-0-1.
Yeas - 10Nays- 0Abs- 1
Rep. N. Abbott
Rep. C. Acton
Rep. T. Auxier
Rep. T. Clancy
Rep. S. Gricius
Rep. J. Hawkins
Rep. K. Lisonbee
Rep. A. Loubet
Rep. G. Miller
Rep. J. Thompson
Rep. V. Mauga
3.1st Sub. H.B. 312 Criminal Justice Amendments (Lisonbee, K.)
HB0312S01 Presentation
Rep. Lisonbee presented the bill.
Rachelle Morris, resident, spoke in favor of the bill.
Michael Drechsel, Assistant State Court Administrator, Utah Judiciary, spoke to the bill.
Richard Mauro, Executive Director, Salt Lake Legal Defender Association, spoke in opposition to the bill.
Ryan Robinson, Policy Director, SWAP, spoke in favor of the bill.
Gabriella Huggins, resident, spoke in opposition to the bill.
Mary Catherine Perry, Vice President of Public Policy, Salt Lake Chamber, spoke in favor of the bill.
Maryann Christensen, Executive Director, Utah Legislative Watch, spoke in favor of the bill.
Carlos Moreno, Salt Lake City Council, District 2, spoke in favor of the bill.
MacKenzie Bray, Executive Director, Salt Lake Harm Reduction Project, spoke in opposition to the bill.
Bell LeDuc, resident, spoke in opposition to the bill.
Dalane England, VP, Utah Eagle Forum, spoke in favor of the bill.
Michael Jarman, resident, spoke in opposition to the bill.
Tammy Pearson, Commissioner, Beaver County, spoke in opposition to the bill.
Charese Peterson, resident, spoke in opposition to the bill.
Rosie Rivera, Sheriff, Salt Lake County, spoke to the bill.
Koly Swistak, resident, spoke in opposition to the bill.
Oak Robin, SLC Covid Ed, spoke in opposition to the bill.
MOTION:Rep. Thompson moved to replace 1st Substitute H.B. 312 with 2nd Substitute H.B. 312.The motion passed with a vote of 8-0-3.
Yeas - 8Nays- 0Abs- 3
Rep. N. Abbott
Rep. C. Acton
Rep. T. Auxier
Rep. T. Clancy
Rep. K. Lisonbee
Rep. A. Loubet
Rep. G. Miller
Rep. J. Thompson
Rep. S. Gricius
Rep. J. Hawkins
Rep. V. Mauga
MOTION:Rep. Thompson moved to amend 2nd Substitute H.B. 312 with Amendment #1.The motion passed with a vote of 8-0-3.
Amendment 1

1 .        Line 324 through 327 :  Line 324 through 327
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2 .        Line 346 through 350 :  Line 346 through 350
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3 .        Line 353 through 355 :  Line 353 through 355
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Yeas - 8Nays- 0Abs- 3
Rep. N. Abbott
Rep. C. Acton
Rep. T. Auxier
Rep. T. Clancy
Rep. K. Lisonbee
Rep. A. Loubet
Rep. G. Miller
Rep. J. Thompson
Rep. S. Gricius
Rep. J. Hawkins
Rep. V. Mauga
MOTION:Rep. Thompson moved to pass 2nd Substitute H.B. 312 out favorably.The motion passed with a vote of 9-0-2.
Yeas - 9Nays- 0Abs- 2
Rep. N. Abbott
Rep. C. Acton
Rep. T. Auxier
Rep. T. Clancy
Rep. S. Gricius
Rep. K. Lisonbee
Rep. A. Loubet
Rep. G. Miller
Rep. J. Thompson
Rep. J. Hawkins
Rep. V. Mauga
MOTION:Rep. Gricius moved to approve the minutes.The motion passed with a vote of 9-0-2.
Yeas - 9Nays- 0Abs- 2
Rep. N. Abbott
Rep. C. Acton
Rep. T. Auxier
Rep. T. Clancy
Rep. S. Gricius
Rep. K. Lisonbee
Rep. A. Loubet
Rep. G. Miller
Rep. J. Thompson
Rep. J. Hawkins
Rep. V. Mauga
4.H.B. 159 Protection Order Amendments (Teuscher, J.)
HB159 Handout
Rep. Teuscher presented the bill.
Stewart Ralphs, Legal Aid Society of Salt Lake, spoke in favor of the bill.
Katie Fox, Victim Services Commission, spoke in favor of the bill.
MOTION:Rep. Auxier moved to pass H.B. 159 out favorably.The motion passed with a vote of 9-0-2.
Yeas - 9Nays- 0Abs- 2
Rep. N. Abbott
Rep. C. Acton
Rep. T. Auxier
Rep. T. Clancy
Rep. S. Gricius
Rep. K. Lisonbee
Rep. A. Loubet
Rep. G. Miller
Rep. J. Thompson
Rep. J. Hawkins
Rep. V. Mauga
MOTION:Rep. Clancy moved to place H.B. 159 on the Consent Calendar.The motion passed with a vote of 9-0-2.
Yeas - 9Nays- 0Abs- 2
Rep. N. Abbott
Rep. C. Acton
Rep. T. Auxier
Rep. T. Clancy
Rep. S. Gricius
Rep. K. Lisonbee
Rep. A. Loubet
Rep. G. Miller
Rep. J. Thompson
Rep. J. Hawkins
Rep. V. Mauga
5.H.B. 222 Access to Traffic Accident Evidence (Stoddard, A.)
Rep. Stoddard presented the bill.
Dave Kalles, NAMIC, spoke in favor of the bill.
MOTION:Rep. Miller moved to replace H.B. 222 with 1st Substitute H.B. 222.The motion passed with a vote of 6-1-4.
Yeas - 6Nays- 1Abs- 4
Rep. N. Abbott
Rep. C. Acton
Rep. T. Auxier
Rep. S. Gricius
Rep. A. Loubet
Rep. G. Miller
Rep. J. Thompson
Rep. T. Clancy
Rep. J. Hawkins
Rep. K. Lisonbee
Rep. V. Mauga
MOTION:Rep. Miller moved to pass 1st Substitute H.B. 222 out favorably.The motion passed with a vote of 6-1-4.
Yeas - 6Nays- 1Abs- 4
Rep. N. Abbott
Rep. C. Acton
Rep. T. Auxier
Rep. S. Gricius
Rep. A. Loubet
Rep. G. Miller
Rep. J. Thompson
Rep. T. Clancy
Rep. J. Hawkins
Rep. K. Lisonbee
Rep. V. Mauga
Rep. Gricius assumed the chair.
6.H.B. 276 Civil Commitment Revisions (Abbott, N.)
Rep. Abbott presented the bill.
Jeremy Christensen, Assistant Superintendent, DHHS, spoke in favor of the bill.
Michael Drechsel, Assistant State Coordinator Administrator, Utah Judiciary, spoke to the bill.
Nate Crippes, DLC of UT, spoke in favor of the bill.
MOTION:Rep. Acton moved to replace H.B. 276 with 1st Substitute H.B. 276.The motion passed with a vote of 9-0-2.
Yeas - 9Nays- 0Abs- 2
Rep. N. Abbott
Rep. C. Acton
Rep. T. Auxier
Rep. T. Clancy
Rep. S. Gricius
Rep. J. Hawkins
Rep. A. Loubet
Rep. G. Miller
Rep. J. Thompson
Rep. K. Lisonbee
Rep. V. Mauga
MOTION:Rep. Acton moved to pass 1st Substitute H.B. 276 out favorably.The motion passed with a vote of 9-0-2.
Yeas - 9Nays- 0Abs- 2
Rep. N. Abbott
Rep. C. Acton
Rep. T. Auxier
Rep. T. Clancy
Rep. S. Gricius
Rep. J. Hawkins
Rep. A. Loubet
Rep. G. Miller
Rep. J. Thompson
Rep. K. Lisonbee
Rep. V. Mauga
Rep. Clancy assumed the chair.
7.H.B. 220 Transportation Network Company Amendments (Abbott, N.)
Rep. Abbott presented the bill.
MOTION:Chair Abbott moved to hold H.B. 220.The motion passed with a vote of 7-1-3.
Yeas - 7Nays- 1Abs- 3
Rep. N. Abbott
Rep. C. Acton
Rep. T. Auxier
Rep. T. Clancy
Rep. J. Hawkins
Rep. A. Loubet
Rep. J. Thompson
Rep. S. Gricius
Rep. K. Lisonbee
Rep. V. Mauga
Rep. G. Miller
8.1st Sub. H.B. 78 Criminal Offenses Amendments (Gwynn, M.)
Rep. Gwynn presented the bill.
Richard Mauro, Salt Lake Legal Defender Association, spoke to the bill.
Marlesse Jones, Director, Victim Services Commission, spoke in favor of the bill.
Ryan Robinson, SWAP, spoke in favor of the bill.
MOTION:Rep. Auxier moved to pass 1st Substitute H.B. 78 out favorably.The motion passed with a vote of 9-0-2.
Yeas - 9Nays- 0Abs- 2
Rep. N. Abbott
Rep. C. Acton
Rep. T. Auxier
Rep. T. Clancy
Rep. S. Gricius
Rep. J. Hawkins
Rep. A. Loubet
Rep. G. Miller
Rep. J. Thompson
Rep. K. Lisonbee
Rep. V. Mauga
MOTION:Rep. Hawkins moved to saunter.The motion passed with a vote of 9-0-2.
Yeas - 9Nays- 0Abs- 2
Rep. N. Abbott
Rep. C. Acton
Rep. T. Auxier
Rep. T. Clancy
Rep. S. Gricius
Rep. J. Hawkins
Rep. A. Loubet
Rep. G. Miller
Rep. J. Thompson
Rep. K. Lisonbee
Rep. V. Mauga
MOTION:Motion to end saunterThe motion passed with a vote of 9-0-2.
Yeas - 9Nays- 0Abs- 2
Rep. N. Abbott
Rep. C. Acton
Rep. T. Auxier
Rep. T. Clancy
Rep. S. Gricius
Rep. J. Hawkins
Rep. A. Loubet
Rep. G. Miller
Rep. J. Thompson
Rep. K. Lisonbee
Rep. V. Mauga
Chair Clancy called the meeting to order.
9.H.B. 195 Firearm Retention Amendments (MacPherson, M.)
Rep. MacPherson presented the bill.
Ryan Robinson, Policy Director, SWAP, spoke in opposition to the bill.
Clark Aposhian, Utah Shooting Council, spoke in favor of the bill.
Maryann Christensen, Director, Utah Legislative Watch, spoke in favor of the bill.
Brett Robinson, Salt Lake County District Attorney Office, spoke in opposition to the bill.
Mindy Vincent, resident, spoke in opposition of the bill.
MOTION:Rep. Gricius moved to replace H.B. 195 with 1st Substitute H.B. 195.The motion passed with a vote of 9-0-2.
Yeas - 9Nays- 0Abs- 2
Rep. N. Abbott
Rep. C. Acton
Rep. T. Auxier
Rep. T. Clancy
Rep. S. Gricius
Rep. J. Hawkins
Rep. A. Loubet
Rep. G. Miller
Rep. J. Thompson
Rep. K. Lisonbee
Rep. V. Mauga
MOTION:Rep. Gricius moved to amend 1st Substitute H.B. 195 with Amendment #1.The motion passed with a vote of 9-0-2.
Amendment 1

1 .        Line 164 through 166 :  Line 164 through 166
164165166
Yeas - 9Nays- 0Abs- 2
Rep. N. Abbott
Rep. C. Acton
Rep. T. Auxier
Rep. T. Clancy
Rep. S. Gricius
Rep. J. Hawkins
Rep. A. Loubet
Rep. G. Miller
Rep. J. Thompson
Rep. K. Lisonbee
Rep. V. Mauga
MOTION:Rep. Gricius moved to pass 1st Substitute H.B. 195 out favorably.The motion passed with a vote of 7-2-2.
Yeas - 7Nays- 2Abs- 2
Rep. N. Abbott
Rep. T. Auxier
Rep. T. Clancy
Rep. S. Gricius
Rep. J. Hawkins
Rep. A. Loubet
Rep. G. Miller
Rep. C. Acton
Rep. J. Thompson
Rep. K. Lisonbee
Rep. V. Mauga
SUBSTITUTE MOTION:Rep. Thompson moved to hold 1st Substitute H.B. 195.The substitute motion failed with a vote of 4-5-2.
Yeas - 4Nays- 5Abs- 2
Rep. N. Abbott
Rep. C. Acton
Rep. J. Hawkins
Rep. J. Thompson
Rep. T. Auxier
Rep. T. Clancy
Rep. S. Gricius
Rep. A. Loubet
Rep. G. Miller
Rep. K. Lisonbee
Rep. V. Mauga
MOTION:Rep. Hawkins moved to adjourn.The motion passed with a vote of 9-0-2.
Yeas - 9Nays- 0Abs- 2
Rep. N. Abbott
Rep. C. Acton
Rep. T. Auxier
Rep. T. Clancy
Rep. S. Gricius
Rep. J. Hawkins
Rep. A. Loubet
Rep. G. Miller
Rep. J. Thompson
Rep. K. Lisonbee
Rep. V. Mauga
Chair Clancy adjourned the meeting.