MINUTES OF THE
HOUSE BUSINESS, LABOR, AND COMMERCE STANDING COMMITTEE
Tuesday, February 25, 2025 • 4:00 p.m. • 445 State Capitol


Members Present:
Rep. A. Cory Maloy, Chair
Rep. Jason B. Kyle, Vice Chair
Rep. Melissa G. Ballard
Rep. Jefferson S. Burton
Rep. James A. Dunnigan
Rep. Ashlee Matthews
Rep. Hoang Nguyen
Rep. Thomas W. Peterson
Rep. Calvin Roberts
Rep. Jake Sawyer
Speaker Mike Schultz
Rep. Jordan D. Teuscher
Rep. Norman K Thurston
Rep. Stephen L. Whyte
Rep. Ryan D. Wilcox

Members Absent:
Rep. Ken Ivory

Staff Present:
Rohnin Randles, Policy Analyst
An Bradshaw, Committee Secretary

Note: A copy of related materials and an audio recording of the meeting can be found at www.le.utah.gov.
Chair Maloy called the meeting to order at 4:12 p.m.
MOTION:Rep. Sawyer moved to approve the minutes of the February 21, 2025 meeting.The motion passed with a vote of 8-0-8.
Yeas - 8Nays- 0Abs- 8
Rep. J. Dunnigan
Rep. J. Kyle
Rep. A. Maloy
Rep. H. Nguyen
Rep. T. Peterson
Rep. J. Sawyer
Rep. M. Schultz
Rep. N. Thurston
Rep. M. Ballard
Rep. J. Burton
Rep. K. Ivory
Rep. A. Matthews
Rep. C. Roberts
Rep. J. Teuscher
Rep. S. Whyte
Rep. R. Wilcox
1.H.B. 503 Medical Malpractice Modifications (Hall, K.)
Rep. Katy Hall presented the bill with the assistance of Nan Bassett and Shawn McGarry, civil defense attorneys.
Dave Gessel, Executive Vice President, Utah Hospital Association, spoke in support of the bill.
William Hamilton, physician, spoke in support of the bill.
Ashton Hyde, medical malpractice attorney, spoke in opposition to the bill.
Lane Childs, physician and president-elect, Utah Medical Association, spoke in support of the bill.
Matthew Corry, former patient, spoke in opposition to the bill.
Melissa Hansen, mother of a former patient, spoke in opposition to the bill.
Steven Meek, physician and chair of the board, Tanner Clinic, spoke in support of the bill.
Ryan Coil, physician, spoke in opposition to the bill.
Ben Lassig, litigation attorney, spoke in support of the bill.
Ryan Caldwell, resident, spoke in opposition to the bill.
Tiffany Fonohema, former patient, spoke in opposition to the bill.
Tyler Young, Commissioner, State Bar Commission, spoke in opposition to the bill.
MOTION:Rep. Kyle moved to pass H.B. 503 out favorably.
SUBSTITUTE MOTION:Rep. Matthews moved to hold H.B. 503.The substitute motion failed with a vote of 4-10-2.
Yeas - 4Nays- 10Abs- 2
Rep. M. Ballard
Rep. A. Matthews
Rep. H. Nguyen
Rep. N. Thurston
Rep. J. Dunnigan
Rep. J. Kyle
Rep. A. Maloy
Rep. T. Peterson
Rep. C. Roberts
Rep. J. Sawyer
Rep. M. Schultz
Rep. J. Teuscher
Rep. S. Whyte
Rep. R. Wilcox
Rep. J. Burton
Rep. K. Ivory
The underlying motionpassed with a vote 10-4-2.
Yeas - 10Nays- 4Abs- 2
Rep. J. Dunnigan
Rep. J. Kyle
Rep. A. Maloy
Rep. T. Peterson
Rep. C. Roberts
Rep. J. Sawyer
Rep. M. Schultz
Rep. J. Teuscher
Rep. S. Whyte
Rep. R. Wilcox
Rep. M. Ballard
Rep. A. Matthews
Rep. H. Nguyen
Rep. N. Thurston
Rep. J. Burton
Rep. K. Ivory
MOTION:Rep. Peterson moved to limit presentations to five minutes.The motion passed with a vote of 12-2-2.
Yeas - 12Nays- 2Abs- 2
Rep. M. Ballard
Rep. J. Kyle
Rep. A. Maloy
Rep. A. Matthews
Rep. H. Nguyen
Rep. T. Peterson
Rep. C. Roberts
Rep. J. Sawyer
Rep. M. Schultz
Rep. N. Thurston
Rep. S. Whyte
Rep. R. Wilcox
Rep. J. Dunnigan
Rep. J. Teuscher
Rep. J. Burton
Rep. K. Ivory
2.H.B. 495 Health Care Amendments (Dunnigan, J.)
Rep. Dunnigan presented the bill with the assistance of Tracy Thorup and Val Radmall, dentists.
Val Radmall, Executive Director, Utah Dentist Association, spoke in support of the bill.
MOTION:Rep. Peterson moved to amend H.B. 495 with Amendment #2.The motion passed with a vote of 12-0-4.
Amendment 2

1 .        Line 208 through 209 :  Line 208 through 209
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2 .        Line 240 through 242 :  Line 240 through 242
240241242

3 .        Line 245 through 250 :  Line 245 through 250
245246247248249250
Yeas - 12Nays- 0Abs- 4
Rep. M. Ballard
Rep. J. Dunnigan
Rep. J. Kyle
Rep. A. Maloy
Rep. A. Matthews
Rep. H. Nguyen
Rep. T. Peterson
Rep. C. Roberts
Rep. J. Sawyer
Rep. J. Teuscher
Rep. N. Thurston
Rep. S. Whyte
Rep. J. Burton
Rep. K. Ivory
Rep. M. Schultz
Rep. R. Wilcox
MOTION:Rep. Peterson moved to pass H.B. 495 out favorably as amended.The motion passed with a vote of 12-0-4.
Yeas - 12Nays- 0Abs- 4
Rep. M. Ballard
Rep. J. Dunnigan
Rep. J. Kyle
Rep. A. Maloy
Rep. A. Matthews
Rep. H. Nguyen
Rep. T. Peterson
Rep. C. Roberts
Rep. J. Sawyer
Rep. J. Teuscher
Rep. N. Thurston
Rep. S. Whyte
Rep. J. Burton
Rep. K. Ivory
Rep. M. Schultz
Rep. R. Wilcox
MOTION:Rep. Thurston moved to place H.B. 495 on the Consent Calendar.The motion passed with a vote of 12-0-4.
Yeas - 12Nays- 0Abs- 4
Rep. M. Ballard
Rep. J. Dunnigan
Rep. J. Kyle
Rep. A. Maloy
Rep. A. Matthews
Rep. H. Nguyen
Rep. T. Peterson
Rep. C. Roberts
Rep. J. Sawyer
Rep. J. Teuscher
Rep. N. Thurston
Rep. S. Whyte
Rep. J. Burton
Rep. K. Ivory
Rep. M. Schultz
Rep. R. Wilcox
3.S.B. 15 Certified Public Accountant Licensing Amendments (Vickers, E.)
Sen. Evan Vickers presented the bill to the committee.
Jonathan Liljegren, resident, spoke in opposition to the bill.
Susan Speirs, CEO, Utah Association of Certified Public Accountants, spoke in support of the bill.
MOTION:Rep. Peterson moved to replace S.B. 15 with 1st Substitute S.B. 15.The motion passed with a vote of 13-0-3.
Yeas - 13Nays- 0Abs- 3
Rep. M. Ballard
Rep. J. Burton
Rep. J. Dunnigan
Rep. J. Kyle
Rep. A. Maloy
Rep. A. Matthews
Rep. H. Nguyen
Rep. T. Peterson
Rep. C. Roberts
Rep. J. Sawyer
Rep. J. Teuscher
Rep. N. Thurston
Rep. S. Whyte
Rep. K. Ivory
Rep. M. Schultz
Rep. R. Wilcox
MOTION:Rep. Peterson moved to pass 1st Substitute S.B. 15 out favorably.The motion passed with a vote of 13-0-3.
Yeas - 13Nays- 0Abs- 3
Rep. M. Ballard
Rep. J. Burton
Rep. J. Dunnigan
Rep. J. Kyle
Rep. A. Maloy
Rep. A. Matthews
Rep. H. Nguyen
Rep. T. Peterson
Rep. C. Roberts
Rep. J. Sawyer
Rep. J. Teuscher
Rep. N. Thurston
Rep. S. Whyte
Rep. K. Ivory
Rep. M. Schultz
Rep. R. Wilcox
4.H.B. 361 Opioid Overdose Training Amendments (Thompson, J.)
Rep. Jason Thompson presented the bill to the committee.
MOTION:Rep. Kyle moved to replace H.B. 361 with 3rd Substitute H.B. 361.The motion passed with a vote of 13-0-3.
Yeas - 13Nays- 0Abs- 3
Rep. M. Ballard
Rep. J. Burton
Rep. J. Dunnigan
Rep. J. Kyle
Rep. A. Maloy
Rep. A. Matthews
Rep. H. Nguyen
Rep. T. Peterson
Rep. C. Roberts
Rep. J. Sawyer
Rep. J. Teuscher
Rep. N. Thurston
Rep. S. Whyte
Rep. K. Ivory
Rep. M. Schultz
Rep. R. Wilcox
MOTION:Rep. Peterson moved to pass 3rd Substitute H.B. 361 out favorably.The motion passed with a vote of 13-0-3.
Yeas - 13Nays- 0Abs- 3
Rep. M. Ballard
Rep. J. Burton
Rep. J. Dunnigan
Rep. J. Kyle
Rep. A. Maloy
Rep. A. Matthews
Rep. H. Nguyen
Rep. T. Peterson
Rep. C. Roberts
Rep. J. Sawyer
Rep. J. Teuscher
Rep. N. Thurston
Rep. S. Whyte
Rep. K. Ivory
Rep. M. Schultz
Rep. R. Wilcox
5.S.B. 70 Consumer Reporting Amendments (Pitcher, S.)
Rep. Teuscher presented the bill to the committee.
MOTION:Rep. Peterson moved to pass S.B. 70 out favorably.The motion passed with a vote of 13-0-3.
Yeas - 13Nays- 0Abs- 3
Rep. M. Ballard
Rep. J. Burton
Rep. J. Dunnigan
Rep. J. Kyle
Rep. A. Maloy
Rep. A. Matthews
Rep. H. Nguyen
Rep. T. Peterson
Rep. C. Roberts
Rep. J. Sawyer
Rep. J. Teuscher
Rep. N. Thurston
Rep. S. Whyte
Rep. K. Ivory
Rep. M. Schultz
Rep. R. Wilcox
MOTION:Rep. Kyle moved to place S.B. 70 on the Consent Calendar.The motion passed with a vote of 13-0-3.
Yeas - 13Nays- 0Abs- 3
Rep. M. Ballard
Rep. J. Burton
Rep. J. Dunnigan
Rep. J. Kyle
Rep. A. Maloy
Rep. A. Matthews
Rep. H. Nguyen
Rep. T. Peterson
Rep. C. Roberts
Rep. J. Sawyer
Rep. J. Teuscher
Rep. N. Thurston
Rep. S. Whyte
Rep. K. Ivory
Rep. M. Schultz
Rep. R. Wilcox
6.S.B. 189 Child Care Services Amendments (Escamilla, L.)
Sen. Luz Escamilla presented the bill to the committee.
Kory Holdaway, Utah Private Child Care Association, spoke to the bill.
MOTION:Rep. Matthews moved to replace S.B. 189 with 1st Substitute S.B. 189.The motion passed with a vote of 14-0-2.
Yeas - 14Nays- 0Abs- 2
Rep. M. Ballard
Rep. J. Burton
Rep. J. Dunnigan
Rep. J. Kyle
Rep. A. Maloy
Rep. A. Matthews
Rep. H. Nguyen
Rep. T. Peterson
Rep. C. Roberts
Rep. J. Sawyer
Rep. J. Teuscher
Rep. N. Thurston
Rep. S. Whyte
Rep. R. Wilcox
Rep. K. Ivory
Rep. M. Schultz
MOTION:Rep. Matthews moved to pass 1st Substitute S.B. 189 out favorably.
SUBSTITUTE MOTION:Rep. Ballard moved to hold 1st Substitute S.B. 189.The substitute motion failed with a vote of 4-6-6.
Yeas - 4Nays- 6Abs- 6
Rep. M. Ballard
Rep. J. Burton
Rep. A. Maloy
Rep. S. Whyte
Rep. J. Dunnigan
Rep. J. Kyle
Rep. A. Matthews
Rep. H. Nguyen
Rep. T. Peterson
Rep. C. Roberts
Rep. K. Ivory
Rep. J. Sawyer
Rep. M. Schultz
Rep. J. Teuscher
Rep. N. Thurston
Rep. R. Wilcox
The underlying motionpassed with a vote 6-5-5.
Yeas - 6Nays- 5Abs- 5
Rep. M. Ballard
Rep. J. Burton
Rep. J. Dunnigan
Rep. J. Kyle
Rep. A. Matthews
Rep. H. Nguyen
Rep. A. Maloy
Rep. T. Peterson
Rep. C. Roberts
Rep. N. Thurston
Rep. S. Whyte
Rep. K. Ivory
Rep. J. Sawyer
Rep. M. Schultz
Rep. J. Teuscher
Rep. R. Wilcox
7.1st Sub. H.B. 419 Real Estate Revisions (Walter, N.)
Rep. Neil Walter presented the bill to the committee and provided a handout.
Real Estate Revisions document
Leigh Veillette, Director, Division of Real Estate, spoke to the bill.
Cate Klutt, Utah Association of Realtors, spoke in support of the bill.
MOTION:Rep. Matthews moved to amend 1st Substitute H.B. 419 with Amendment #1.The motion passed with a vote of 10-0-6.
Amendment 1

1 .        Line 157 through 160 :  Line 157 through 160
157158159160

2 .        Line 693 through 702 :  Line 693 through 702
693694695696697698699700701 702
Yeas - 10Nays- 0Abs- 6
Rep. M. Ballard
Rep. J. Burton
Rep. J. Dunnigan
Rep. J. Kyle
Rep. A. Maloy
Rep. A. Matthews
Rep. H. Nguyen
Rep. C. Roberts
Rep. N. Thurston
Rep. S. Whyte
Rep. K. Ivory
Rep. T. Peterson
Rep. J. Sawyer
Rep. M. Schultz
Rep. J. Teuscher
Rep. R. Wilcox
MOTION:Rep. Dunnigan moved to pass 1st Substitute H.B. 419 out favorably as amended.The motion passed with a vote of 10-0-6.
Yeas - 10Nays- 0Abs- 6
Rep. M. Ballard
Rep. J. Burton
Rep. J. Dunnigan
Rep. J. Kyle
Rep. A. Maloy
Rep. A. Matthews
Rep. H. Nguyen
Rep. C. Roberts
Rep. N. Thurston
Rep. S. Whyte
Rep. K. Ivory
Rep. T. Peterson
Rep. J. Sawyer
Rep. M. Schultz
Rep. J. Teuscher
Rep. R. Wilcox
MOTION:Rep. Dunnigan moved to place 1st Substitute H.B. 419 on the Consent Calendar.The motion passed with a vote of 10-0-6.
Yeas - 10Nays- 0Abs- 6
Rep. M. Ballard
Rep. J. Burton
Rep. J. Dunnigan
Rep. J. Kyle
Rep. A. Maloy
Rep. A. Matthews
Rep. H. Nguyen
Rep. C. Roberts
Rep. N. Thurston
Rep. S. Whyte
Rep. K. Ivory
Rep. T. Peterson
Rep. J. Sawyer
Rep. M. Schultz
Rep. J. Teuscher
Rep. R. Wilcox
8.H.B. 485 Residential Notification Amendments (Fitisemanu, J.)
Rep. Jake Fitisemanu presented the bill and provided chocolate to the committee.
MOTION:Rep. Burton moved to replace H.B. 485 with 1st Substitute H.B. 485.The motion passed with a vote of 10-0-6.
Yeas - 10Nays- 0Abs- 6
Rep. M. Ballard
Rep. J. Burton
Rep. J. Dunnigan
Rep. J. Kyle
Rep. A. Maloy
Rep. A. Matthews
Rep. H. Nguyen
Rep. T. Peterson
Rep. N. Thurston
Rep. S. Whyte
Rep. K. Ivory
Rep. C. Roberts
Rep. J. Sawyer
Rep. M. Schultz
Rep. J. Teuscher
Rep. R. Wilcox
MOTION:Rep. Burton moved to amend 1st Substitute H.B. 485 with Amendment #2.The motion passed with a vote of 10-0-6.
Amendment 2

1 .        Line 24 through 30 :  Line 24 through 30
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2 .        Line 59 through 63 :  Line 59 through 63
5960616263

3 .        Line 76 through 82 :  Line 76 through 82
76777879808182
Yeas - 10Nays- 0Abs- 6
Rep. M. Ballard
Rep. J. Burton
Rep. J. Dunnigan
Rep. J. Kyle
Rep. A. Maloy
Rep. A. Matthews
Rep. H. Nguyen
Rep. T. Peterson
Rep. N. Thurston
Rep. S. Whyte
Rep. K. Ivory
Rep. C. Roberts
Rep. J. Sawyer
Rep. M. Schultz
Rep. J. Teuscher
Rep. R. Wilcox
MOTION:Rep. Burton moved to pass 1st Substitute H.B. 485 out favorably as amended.The motion passed with a vote of 7-3-6.
Yeas - 7Nays- 3Abs- 6
Rep. M. Ballard
Rep. J. Burton
Rep. J. Kyle
Rep. A. Maloy
Rep. A. Matthews
Rep. H. Nguyen
Rep. T. Peterson
Rep. J. Dunnigan
Rep. N. Thurston
Rep. S. Whyte
Rep. K. Ivory
Rep. C. Roberts
Rep. J. Sawyer
Rep. M. Schultz
Rep. J. Teuscher
Rep. R. Wilcox
MOTION:Rep. Burton moved to adjourn.The motion passed with a vote of 10-0-6.
Yeas - 10Nays- 0Abs- 6
Rep. M. Ballard
Rep. J. Burton
Rep. J. Dunnigan
Rep. J. Kyle
Rep. A. Maloy
Rep. A. Matthews
Rep. H. Nguyen
Rep. T. Peterson
Rep. N. Thurston
Rep. S. Whyte
Rep. K. Ivory
Rep. C. Roberts
Rep. J. Sawyer
Rep. M. Schultz
Rep. J. Teuscher
Rep. R. Wilcox
Chair Maloy adjourned the meeting at 6:38 p.m.