MINUTES OF THE
SENATE BUSINESS AND LABOR STANDING COMMITTEE
Monday, March 3, 2025 • 4:00 p.m. • 120 Senate Building


Members Present:
Sen. Evan J. Vickers, Chair
Sen. Kirk A. Cullimore
Sen. Don L. Ipson
Sen. Daniel McCay
Sen. Calvin R. Musselman
Sen. Stephanie Pitcher
Sen. Scott D. Sandall
Sen. Todd Weiler

Staff Present:
Robert Wood, Policy Analyst
Nancy Skidmore, Committee Secretary

Note: A copy of related materials and an audio recording of the meeting can be found at www.le.utah.gov.

Chair Vickers called the meeting to order at 4:13 p.m.
MOTION:Sen. Weiler moved to approve the minutes of the February 28, 2025 meeting.The motion passed with a vote of 4-0-4.
Yeas - 4Nays- 0Abs- 4
Sen. D. Ipson
Sen. C. Musselman
Sen. E. Vickers
Sen. T. Weiler
Sen. K. Cullimore
Sen. D. McCay
Sen. S. Pitcher
Sen. S. Sandall
1.1st Sub. H.B. 516 Automobile Franchise Amendments (Eliason, S.)
Rep. Eliason presented the bill.
MOTION:Sen. Ipson moved to pass 1st Substitute H.B. 516 out favorably.The motion passed with a vote of 5-1-2.
Yeas - 5Nays- 1Abs- 2
Sen. K. Cullimore
Sen. D. Ipson
Sen. C. Musselman
Sen. S. Sandall
Sen. E. Vickers
Sen. T. Weiler
Sen. D. McCay
Sen. S. Pitcher
2.1st Sub. H.B. 419 Real Estate Revisions (Walter, N.)
Rep. Walter presented the bill.
MOTION:Sen. Musselman moved to pass 1st Substitute H.B. 419 out favorably.The motion passed with a vote of 6-0-2.
Yeas - 6Nays- 0Abs- 2
Sen. K. Cullimore
Sen. D. Ipson
Sen. C. Musselman
Sen. S. Pitcher
Sen. S. Sandall
Sen. E. Vickers
Sen. D. McCay
Sen. T. Weiler
3.2nd Sub. H.B. 160 Professional License Degree Amendments (Gricius, S.)
Rep. Gricius presented the bill with the assistance of Rep. Miller.
Bill Keach, State Geologist, Director, Utah Geological Survey, spoke in opposition to the bill.
John England, Education Policy Analyst, Libertas Institute, spoke in favor of the bill.
Steve Hiatt, lobbyist, American Institute of Architects, spoke in favor of the bill.
MOTION:Sen. Ipson moved to replace 2nd Substitute H.B. 160 with 3rd Substitute H.B. 160.The motion passed with a vote of 5-0-3.
Yeas - 5Nays- 0Abs- 3
Sen. D. Ipson
Sen. C. Musselman
Sen. S. Pitcher
Sen. S. Sandall
Sen. E. Vickers
Sen. K. Cullimore
Sen. D. McCay
Sen. T. Weiler
MOTION:Sen. Ipson moved to pass 3rd Substitute H.B. 160 out favorably.The motion passed with a vote of 6-0-2.
Yeas - 6Nays- 0Abs- 2
Sen. K. Cullimore
Sen. D. Ipson
Sen. C. Musselman
Sen. S. Pitcher
Sen. S. Sandall
Sen. E. Vickers
Sen. D. McCay
Sen. T. Weiler
MOTION:Sen. Ipson moved to place 3rd Substitute H.B. 160 on the Consent Calendar.The motion passed with a vote of 5-0-3.
Yeas - 5Nays- 0Abs- 3
Sen. D. Ipson
Sen. C. Musselman
Sen. S. Pitcher
Sen. S. Sandall
Sen. E. Vickers
Sen. K. Cullimore
Sen. D. McCay
Sen. T. Weiler
4.1st Sub. H.B. 412 Boards and Commissions Revisions (Burton, J.)
Rep. Burton presented the bill.
MOTION:Sen. Musselman moved to replace 1st Substitute H.B. 412 with 2nd Substitute H.B. 412.The motion passed with a vote of 5-0-3.
Yeas - 5Nays- 0Abs- 3
Sen. D. Ipson
Sen. C. Musselman
Sen. S. Pitcher
Sen. S. Sandall
Sen. E. Vickers
Sen. K. Cullimore
Sen. D. McCay
Sen. T. Weiler
Chase Thomas, Senior Policy Advisor, Alliance for a Better Utah, spoke in opposition to the bill.
Connor Nygard, University of Utah Student, spoke in opposition to the bill.
MOTION:Sen. Musselman moved to pass 2nd Substitute H.B. 412 out favorably.The motion passed with a vote of 6-1-1.
Yeas - 6Nays- 1Abs- 1
Sen. K. Cullimore
Sen. D. Ipson
Sen. D. McCay
Sen. C. Musselman
Sen. S. Sandall
Sen. E. Vickers
Sen. S. Pitcher
Sen. T. Weiler
5.2nd Sub. H.B. 300 Amendments to Election Law (Burton, J.)
Rep. Burton presented the bill.
HB 300 Election Law Amendments - Key Policy Changes
MOTION:Sen. Musselman moved to replace 2nd Substitute H.B. 300 with 3rd Substitute H.B. 300.The motion passed with a vote of 5-0-3.
Yeas - 5Nays- 0Abs- 3
Sen. D. Ipson
Sen. D. McCay
Sen. C. Musselman
Sen. E. Vickers
Sen. T. Weiler
Sen. K. Cullimore
Sen. S. Pitcher
Sen. S. Sandall
Lannie Chapman, Salt Lake County Clerk, spoke in opposition to the bill.
Aaron Davidson, Utah County Clerk, spoke in favor of the bill.
Jon Whittaker, Iron County Clerk, spoke in opposition to the bill.
Shelly Jackson, Deputy Director of Elections, Lieutenant Governor's Office, spoke in favor of the bill.
Eve Furse, Summit County Clerk, spoke to the bill.
Jonathan Madison, Governance Fellow, R Street Institute, spoke in favor of the bill.
David Warner, resident, spoke in opposition to the bill.
Caroline Phippen resident, spoke in favor of the bill, spoke in favor of the bill.
Helen Moser, League of Women's Voters, spoke in opposition to the bill.
Robert Axson, Chairman, Utah Republican Party, spoke in favor of the bill.
Audrey Evans, resident, spoke in opposition to the bill.
Shauna Fuller, resident, spoke in favor of the bill.
Kim Crane, Vice-President, Utah Municipal Clerks Association, spoke in opposition of the bill.
Bob McEntee, resident, spoke in favor of the bill.
Catherine Voutaz, resident, spoke in opposition to the bill.
Esmeralda Ramirez, resident, spoke in opposition to the bill.
Barbara Smith Warner, Executive Director, National Vote at Home Institute, spoke in opposition to the bill.
Levy Woodruff, resident, spoke in opposition to the bill.
Pam Harrison, resident, spoke opposition to the bill.
Dalane England, resident, spoke in favor of the bill.
Darleneen McDonald, resident, spoke in opposition to the bill.
Jeril Bills, resident, spoke in opposition to the bill.
Ashely Tolman, resident, spoke in opposition to the bill.
MOTION:Sen. Musselman moved to pass 3rd Substitute H.B. 300 out favorably.The motion passed with a vote of 5-3-0.
Yeas - 5Nays- 3Abs- 0
Sen. K. Cullimore
Sen. D. Ipson
Sen. D. McCay
Sen. C. Musselman
Sen. S. Sandall
Sen. S. Pitcher
Sen. E. Vickers
Sen. T. Weiler
6.1st Sub. H.B. 472 Senior Care Facility Amendments (Auxier, T.)
Rep. Auxier presented the bill.
Steve Hiatt, lobbyist, Utah Assistant Living Association, spoke in favor of the bill.
Allison Spangler, Utah Health Care Association, spoke in favor of the bill.
MOTION:Sen. Weiler moved to pass 1st Substitute H.B. 472 out favorably.The motion passed with a vote of 4-0-4.
Yeas - 4Nays- 0Abs- 4
Sen. D. Ipson
Sen. C. Musselman
Sen. E. Vickers
Sen. T. Weiler
Sen. K. Cullimore
Sen. D. McCay
Sen. S. Pitcher
Sen. S. Sandall
7.4th Sub. H.B. 332 Voter Registration Data Amendments (Lisonbee, K.)
Rep. Lisonbee presented the bill.
MOTION:Sen. Ipson moved to replace 4th Substitute H.B. 332 with 6th Substitute H.B. 332.The motion passed with a vote of 4-0-4.
Yeas - 4Nays- 0Abs- 4
Sen. D. Ipson
Sen. C. Musselman
Sen. E. Vickers
Sen. T. Weiler
Sen. K. Cullimore
Sen. D. McCay
Sen. S. Pitcher
Sen. S. Sandall
MOTION:Sen. Ipson moved to amend 6th Substitute H.B. 332 with Amendment #1.The motion passed with a vote of 4-0-4.
Amendment 1

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Yeas - 4Nays- 0Abs- 4
Sen. D. Ipson
Sen. C. Musselman
Sen. E. Vickers
Sen. T. Weiler
Sen. K. Cullimore
Sen. D. McCay
Sen. S. Pitcher
Sen. S. Sandall
Robert Axson, Chairman, Utah Republican Party, spoke in favor of the bill.
Anna Graph Rice, resident, spoke to the bill.
Eve Furse, Summitt County Clerk, spoke to the bill.
Helen Moser, League of Women's Voters, spoke in opposition to the bill.
Aaron Davidson, resident, spoke in favor of the bill.
Otto Krauss, resident, spoke in favor of the bill.
Bob McEntee, resident, spoke in favor of the bill.
Delane England, resident, spoke in favor of the bill.
MOTION:Sen. Musselman moved to pass 6th Substitute H.B. 332 out favorably.The motion failed with a vote of 3-4-1.
Yeas - 3Nays- 4Abs- 1
Sen. D. Ipson
Sen. D. McCay
Sen. C. Musselman
Sen. K. Cullimore
Sen. S. Pitcher
Sen. E. Vickers
Sen. T. Weiler
Sen. S. Sandall
8.H.B. 474 Regulatory Oversight Amendments (Wilcox, R.)
Rep. Wilcox presented the bill.
HB 474: Regulatory Oversight Amendments - Utah Reins Act
MOTION:Sen. Weiler moved to amend H.B. 474 with Amendment #2.The motion passed with a vote of 5-0-3.
Amendment 2

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Yeas - 5Nays- 0Abs- 3
Sen. D. Ipson
Sen. D. McCay
Sen. S. Pitcher
Sen. E. Vickers
Sen. T. Weiler
Sen. K. Cullimore
Sen. C. Musselman
Sen. S. Sandall
Jeff Shumway, Director, Office of Professional Licensure Review, spoke in favor of the bill.
Michelle Polish, resident, spoke in favor of the bill.
Kevin Greene, State Director, Americans for Prosperity Utah, spoke in favor of the bill.
James Manley, State Policy Chief, Pacific Legal Foundation, spoke in favor of the bill,
Caden Rosenbaum, Senior Policy Analyst, Libertas Institute, spoke in favor of the bill.
MOTION:Sen. Ipson moved to pass H.B. 474 out favorably.The motion passed with a vote of 3-1-4.
Yeas - 3Nays- 1Abs- 4
Sen. D. Ipson
Sen. D. McCay
Sen. T. Weiler
Sen. E. Vickers
Sen. K. Cullimore
Sen. C. Musselman
Sen. S. Pitcher
Sen. S. Sandall
9.2nd Sub. H.B. 278 Massage Therapy Amendments (Thurston, N.)
Rep. Thurston presented the bill.
MOTION:Sen. Weiler moved to replace 2nd Substitute H.B. 278 with 3rd Substitute H.B. 278.The motion passed with a vote of 4-0-4.
Yeas - 4Nays- 0Abs- 4
Sen. D. Ipson
Sen. D. McCay
Sen. E. Vickers
Sen. T. Weiler
Sen. K. Cullimore
Sen. C. Musselman
Sen. S. Pitcher
Sen. S. Sandall
Jeff Shumway, Director, Office of Professional Licensure Review, spoke in favor of the bill.
MOTION:Sen. Weiler moved to pass 3rd Substitute H.B. 278 out favorably.The motion passed with a vote of 4-0-4.
Yeas - 4Nays- 0Abs- 4
Sen. D. Ipson
Sen. D. McCay
Sen. E. Vickers
Sen. T. Weiler
Sen. K. Cullimore
Sen. C. Musselman
Sen. S. Pitcher
Sen. S. Sandall
MOTION:Sen. Ipson moved to adjourn.The motion passed with a vote of 4-0-4.
Yeas - 4Nays- 0Abs- 4
Sen. D. Ipson
Sen. D. McCay
Sen. E. Vickers
Sen. T. Weiler
Sen. K. Cullimore
Sen. C. Musselman
Sen. S. Pitcher
Sen. S. Sandall
Chair Vickers adjourned the meeting at 6:30 p.m..
NOTE: 02nd Substitute H.B. 0186 was not discussed in the meeting.