MINUTES OF THE
SOCIAL SERVICES APPROPRIATIONS SUBCOMMITTEE
Tuesday, February 4, 2025 • 8:00 a.m. • 30 House Building


Members Present:
Sen. Keven J. Stratton, Senate Chair
Rep. Raymond P. Ward, House Chair
Rep. Doug Fiefia, House Vice Chair
Sen. Heidi Balderree
Sen. Luz Escamilla
Sen. Jen Plumb
Sen. Todd Weiler
Rep. Kristen Chevrier
Rep. Tyler Clancy
Rep. Jennifer Dailey-Provost
Rep. Jake Fitisemanu
Rep. Stephanie Gricius
Rep. Colin W. Jack
Rep. Nicholeen P. Peck

Members Absent:
President J. Stuart Adams
Sen. Daniel W. Thatcher

Staff Present:
Laurie Haupt, Financial Analyst
Kevin Edminster, Financial Analyst
An Bradshaw, Committee Secretary
Sean C. Faherty, Finance Manager
Russell T. Frandsen, Finance Officer

Note: A copy of related materials and an audio recording of the meeting can be found at www.le.utah.gov.

1.8:00 Call to Order
Chair Fiefia called the meeting to order at 8:03 a.m.
2.8:00 Approval of Minutes
There were no minutes for approval.
3.8:00 New Funding Requests - Updated with Legislator Requests for
4.8:05 Request for Appropriation - Staff Discussion of Alternative Funding Actions
Russell Frandsen explained changes in funding requests and the different funding lists.
Rep. Ward asked for information on the tabs, and Russell Frandsen responded.
5.8:42 Request for Appropriation - (Rep. Lisonbee) - Division of Services for People with Disabilities Waitlist
14a. Lisonbee RFA - Division of Services for People with Disabilities Waitlist
Rep. Lisonbee requested funding for the Division of Services for People with Disabilities Waitlist.
6.8:15 Request for Appropriation - (Sen. Escamilla) - Medicaid Reimbursement for Community Health Workers
5a. Escamilla RFA - Medicaid Reimbursement for Community Health Workers
Sen. Escamilla presented the request with the assistance of Ciriac Alvarez Valle, Senior Policy Analyst, Voices for Utah Children, and Stephanie Burdick, Utah Medicaid Advisory Committee.
7.8:21 Request for Appropriation - (Rep. Watkins) - Long-acting Reversible
7a. Watkins RFA - Long-acting Reversible Contraceptive Carve Out
7b. Watkins - LARC carve out RFA form
7c. 2025-02-04 LARC Carve Out Presentation Watkins Woolsey
7d. Watkins - LARC carve out RFA Budget Template
Rep. Watkins made the funding request with Dr. Sarah Woolsey, Medical Director, and Rachel Craig, Government Affairs Manager, Association for Utah Community Health.
8.8:24 Request for Appropriation - (Rep. Dailey-Provost) - DSPD Waitlist
8a. Dailey-Provost RFA - DSPD Waitlist
Rep. Dailey-Provost made a request for funding the DSPD Waitlist.
9.8:27 Request for Appropriation - (Rep. Ward) - Non Invasive Prenatal Testing
9a. Ward RFA - Non Invasive Prenatal Testing
Rep. Ward requested funding for Non Invasive Prenatal Testing with the assistance of Kyle Prosen, Medical Policy Manager, Natera.
10.8:18 Request for Appropriation - (Sen. Escamilla, Sen. Cullimore) - Nursing Home
6a. Cullimore RFA - Nursing Home Medicaid Rate Increase
6b. Escamilla RFA - ICF-ID Medicaid Rate Increase
6c. 2024 Workforce Crisis Infographic
Sen. Escamilla and Sen. Kirk Cullimore presented the funding request with the assistance of Allison Spangler, President and CEO, Utah Health Care Association.
11.8:30 Request for Appropriation - (Rep. Ward) - Private Duty Nursing Rate
10a. Ward RFA - Private Duty Nursing Rate Reimbursement
10b. 2025 PDN Rate Flier
10c. 2025 PDN Rate Request Tables FINAL
Rep. Ward made the funding request for Private Duty Nursing Rate Reimbursement with the assistance of Matt Hansen, Executive Director, Homecare and Hospice Association of Utah.
12.8:33 Request for Appropriation - (Rep. Ward) - Home Health Rate Increase
11a. Ward RFA - Home Health Rate Increase
11b. HHA Medicaid Rate Increase Tables Final
11c. HHA Medicaid Rate Increase Flier
Rep. Ward Made the funding request for Home Health Rate Increase with the assistance of Beau Sorenson, COO, First Choice Home Health and Hospice.
13.8:36 Request for Appropriation - (Sen. Weiler) - Medicaid Provider
12a. Weiler RFA - Medicaid Provider Reimbursement
Sen. Weiler requested funds for Medicaid Provider Reimbursement with the assistance of Kerry Gibson, Representative, Coalition of Autism Providers.
14.8:51 Request for Appropriation - (Sen. Owens, D.) - Healthcare Provider Cost of
17a. Owens RFA - Healthcare Provider Cost of Living Adjustment
17b. Medicaid COLA RFA
17c. ACO Growth 1
17d. 2024 Workforce Crisis Infographic
17e. UACS Revised
17f. Owens RFA Fiscal Note
Sen. Owens requested funding for Healthcare Provider Cost of Living Adjustment with the assistance of Lincoln Shurtz, Consultant, on behalf of UACS and UHCA.
15.8:48 Request for Appropriation - (Sen. McCay) - Access to Anti-Obesity
16a. McCay RFA - Access to anti-obesity medication (AOM) cost savings in Medicaid
Sen. Daniel McCay made the funding request for Access to Anti-Obesity Medication Cost Savings.
16.8:45 Request for Appropriation - (Rep. Hawkins) - Medicaid Transplant Organ
15a. Hawkins RFA - Medicaid Transplant Organ Acquisitions
15b. Medicaid Organ Acquisition Payment Funding Request
Rep. Jon Hawkins introduced Brett Bateman, Senior Director of Reimbursement, Intermountain Health, to make the funding request for Medicaid Transplant Organ Acquisitions.
17.8:54 Request for Appropriation - (Rep. Eliason) - Increase Peer Support Medicaid
18a. Eliason RFA - Increase Peer Support Medicaid Rates by 35%
Rep. Eliason made the funding request for Increase Peer Support Medicaid Rates by 35% with the assistance of Mia Nafziger, Administrator of the Utah Behavioral Health Commission, Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS).
18.8:57 Request for Appropriation - (Rep. Eliason) - Maintain Rate Increases for
19a. Eliason RFA - Maintain Rate Increases for Behavioral Health Providers
Rep. Eliason made the request for funds.
19.9:00 Request for Appropriation - (Rep. Eliason) - Correctional Health
20a. Eliason RFA - Correctional Health Amendments HB0039
Rep. Eliason requested funding for Correctional Health Amendments.
20.9:03 Request for Appropriation - (Rep. Eliason) - Behavioral Health Crisis
21a. Eliason RFA - Behavioral Health Crisis Transport Improvements
Mia Nafziger requested funding for Behavioral Health Crisis Transport Improvements.
21.9:06 Request for Appropriation - (Rep. Eliason) - One Additional Receiving Center
22a. Eliason RFA - One Additional Receiving Center
Rep. Eliason presented the funding request for One Additional Receiving Center.
22.9:09 Request for Appropriation - (Rep. Eliason) - Increase MCOT Medicaid Rates
23a. Eliason RFA - Increase MCOT Medicaid rates by 26%
Mia Nafziger made the funding request to Increase MCOT Medicaid Rates by 26%.
23.9:12 Request for Appropriation - (Rep. Eliason) - One Mobile Crisis Outreach
24a. Eliason RFA - One Mobile Crisis Outreach Team
Mia Nafziger requested funding for One Mobile Crisis Outreach Team.
24.9:15 Request for Appropriation - (Rep. Eliason) - Expand Beds at Utah State
25a. Eliason RFA - Expand beds at Utah State Hospital
Rep. Eliason requested funding to Expand Beds at Utah State Hospital.
25.9:18 Request for Appropriation - (Rep. Eliason) - State Hospital Operational Cost
26a. Eliason RFA - State Hospital Operational Cost Increases
Rep. Eliason made the funding request for State Hospital Operational Cost Increases.
26.8:39 Request for Appropriation - (Rep. Dunnigan) - SNF Behavioral Health
13a. Dunnigan RFA - SNF Behavioral Health
Rep. James Dunnigan turned the time over to Kathryn Smith, Director of Compliance, Behavioral Health Solutions, to request funds for SNF Behavioral Health.
27.9:24 Request for Appropriation - (Rep. Welton) - Subsidized Therapy for Youth
28a. Welton RFA - Subsidized Therapy for Youth and Families
28b. Flourish Information Feb 2025 - shortA
28c. Flourish Therapy Operationalizes Utah's #1 Strategy
Rep. Welton turned the time over to Lisa Hansen, CEO and Clinical Director, Flourish Therapy, Inc. to request funds for Subsidized Therapy for Youth and Families.
28.9:21 Request for Appropriation - (Rep. Gwynn) - Homelessness and Mental
27a. Gwynn RFA - Homelessness and Mental Health Support
27b. Homelessness and Mental Health Support Handout
Rep. Gwynn presented the request for Homelessness and Mental Health Support with Jed Burton, Clinical Director, Weber Human Services.
29.9:27 Request for Appropriation - (Sen. Plumb) - Outreach, Connections, and
29a. Plumb RFA - Outreach, Connections, and Recovery Soap2Hope
29b. Soap2Hope Program Presentation
Sen. Plumb requested funding with the assistance of January Riggin, Executive Director, Soap2Hope.
30.9:30 Request for Appropriation - (Sen. Plumb) - Statewide Recovery Support
30a. Plumb RFA - Statewide Recovery Support Service - Addict II Athlete
30b. Opiate RFAAIIA
Sen. Plumb turned the time over to Blue and Marissa Robinson, Executive Directors, to request funding for Statewide Recovery Support Service - Addict II Athlete.
31.10:20 Other Requests for Appropriation
Minors in State Custody - Fiefia
Rep. Fiefia made the funding request for Minors in State Custody Amendments.
Sen. Escamilla made the funding request for Infant Cremation Fee Waiver.
32.9:36 Ultra High-cost Pharmacy Drugs and Associated Costs
Jennifer Strohecker, State Medicaid Director, discussed Ultra High-cost Pharmacy Drugs and Associated Costs.
Rep. Peck asked how many people receive ultra high-cost drugs, and Jennifer Strohecker responded.
33.9:45 Should Applied Behavioral Analysis Services be Carved Into Managed Care?
Jennifer Strohecker provided information on health services currently carved out of managed care.
Rep. Peck asked how large the ADA program is, and Jennifer Strohecker responded.
34.9:55 Fees in the Department of Health and Health and Human Services - Issue
37. Health and Human Services Fees - Issue Brief
Russell Frandsen presented the Issue Brief for Fees in DHHS.
Kevin Edminster continued the presentation, discussing recommendations made by staff.
Rep. Peck asked for additional information about fee increases, and Rep. Ward and Russell Frandsen responded.
Rep. Chevrier asked why cannabis card fees may be reduced, and Kevin Edminster responded.
Sen. Escamilla asked how the cremation fees of Utah compare to surrounding states, and Kevin Edminster responded.
Rep. Ward gave information on cremation and cannabis card fees.
Rep. Dailey-Provost cautioned against cutting fees that affect prevention and mitigation services.
Chair Fiefia invited Dr. Stacey Bank, Executive Medical Director, and Krisann Bacon, Director of Operations, Clinical Services Operations, to provide the response.
Sen. Escamilla asked for clarification of fees, and Stacy Bank responded.
Rep. Ward requested clarification on the use of fees, and Krisann Bacon and Stacey Bank responded.
Rep. Peck asked for more information, and Stacey Bank responded.
Sen. Plumb commented on the conversation.
35.10:10 Supplemental Motions from Subcommittee Members and Agencies (Not
Russell Frandsen explained how to make motions and possible motions.
MOTION:Sen. Stratton moved to approve #AZ2 from the Ad Hoc Tab of Motions for Consideration Sheet.The motion passed with a vote of 10-0-6.
Yeas - 10Nays- 0Abs- 6
Sen. H. Balderree
Rep. K. Chevrier
Rep. J. Dailey-Provost
Rep. D. Fiefia
Rep. J. Fitisemanu
Rep. S. Gricius
Rep. C. Jack
Sen. J. Plumb
Sen. K. Stratton
Rep. R. Ward
Sen. J. Adams
Rep. T. Clancy
Sen. L. Escamilla
Rep. N. Peck
Sen. D. Thatcher
Sen. T. Weiler
MOTION:Sen. Stratton moved to approve the following motions from the Ad Hoc Tab of Motions for Consideration sheet: #AZ1 and AZ3 through AZ7.
Rep. Dailey-Provost asked for more information on the motions, and Russell Frandsen responded.
Rep. Fitisemanu asked for clarification on the motions, and Russell Frandsen responded.
Sen. Stratton's motion to approve the following motions from the Ad Hoc Motions sheet: #AZ1 and AZ3 through AZ7passed with a vote 10-0-6.
Yeas - 10Nays- 0Abs- 6
Sen. H. Balderree
Rep. K. Chevrier
Rep. J. Dailey-Provost
Rep. D. Fiefia
Rep. J. Fitisemanu
Rep. S. Gricius
Rep. C. Jack
Sen. J. Plumb
Sen. K. Stratton
Rep. R. Ward
Sen. J. Adams
Rep. T. Clancy
Sen. L. Escamilla
Rep. N. Peck
Sen. D. Thatcher
Sen. T. Weiler
36.10:20 Other Requests for Appropriation
There were no additional requests for appropriations.
37.10:30 Other Business
Chair Fiefia advised committee members to meet with staff if they need to prepare motions for the upcoming voting days.
MOTION:Rep. Ward moved to adjourn.The motion passed with a vote of 12-0-4.
Yeas - 12Nays- 0Abs- 4
Sen. H. Balderree
Rep. K. Chevrier
Rep. J. Dailey-Provost
Rep. D. Fiefia
Rep. J. Fitisemanu
Rep. S. Gricius
Rep. C. Jack
Rep. N. Peck
Sen. J. Plumb
Sen. K. Stratton
Rep. R. Ward
Sen. T. Weiler
Sen. J. Adams
Rep. T. Clancy
Sen. L. Escamilla
Sen. D. Thatcher
Chair Fiefia adjourned the meeting at 10:32 a.m.