MINUTES OF THE
SENATE JUDICIARY, LAW ENFORCEMENT, AND CRIMINAL JUSTICE STANDING COMMITTEE
Wednesday, February 19, 2025 • 4:00 p.m. • 210 Senate Building


Members Present:
Sen. Todd Weiler, Chair
Sen. Heidi Balderree
Sen. Brady Brammer
Sen. Kirk A. Cullimore
Sen. Luz Escamilla
Sen. Michael K. McKell
Sen. Calvin R. Musselman
Sen. Stephanie Pitcher

Members Absent:
Sen. Lincoln Fillmore

Staff Present:
Lacey Johnson, Policy Analyst
Nancy Skidmore, Committee Secretary

Note: A copy of related materials and an audio recording of the meeting can be found at www.le.utah.gov.
Chair Weiler called the meeting to order at 4:18 p.m..
MOTION:Sen. Balderree moved to approve the minutes of the February 18, 2025 meeting.The motion passed with a vote of 4-0-5.
Yeas - 4Nays- 0Abs- 5
Sen. H. Balderree
Sen. L. Escamilla
Sen. S. Pitcher
Sen. T. Weiler
Sen. B. Brammer
Sen. K. Cullimore
Sen. L. Fillmore
Sen. M. McKell
Sen. C. Musselman
1.1st Sub. H.B. 195 Firearm Retention Amendments (MacPherson, M.)
Rep. MacPherson presented the bill.
Ryan Robertson, President Elect, Statewide Association of Prosecutors, spoke in opposition to the bill.
Marlesse Jones, Director, Victims Services Commission, spoke in opposition to the bille.
Erin Jemison, Director of Public Policy, Utah Domestic Violence Coalition, spoke in opposition to the bill.
Clark Aposhian, Chair, Utah Shooting Sports Council, National Rifle Association, spoke in favor of the bill.
MOTION:Sen. Balderree moved to pass 1st Substitute H.B. 195 out favorably.The motion passed with a vote of 4-2-3.
Yeas - 4Nays- 2Abs- 3
Sen. H. Balderree
Sen. B. Brammer
Sen. C. Musselman
Sen. T. Weiler
Sen. L. Escamilla
Sen. S. Pitcher
Sen. K. Cullimore
Sen. L. Fillmore
Sen. M. McKell
Sen. Pitcher assumed the chair.
2.H.B. 17 Limitations on the Use of Polygraphs (Romero, A.)
Rep. Romero presented the bill.
Brett Robinson, Senior Attorney, Salt Lake County District Attorney's Office, spoke in favor of the bill.
Nate Mutter, Chair, Law Enforcement Legislative Committee, spoke in favor of the bill.
Liz Klc, Policy Director, Utah Commission on Criminal and Juvenile Justice, spoke in favor of the bill.
Marleese Jones, Director, Victims Services Commission, spoke in favor of the bill.
Steve Burton, Director, Defense Attorney's Association, spoke in opposition to the bill.
MOTION:Sen. Escamilla moved to pass H.B. 17 out favorably.
MOTION:Sen. Brammer moved to amend H.B. 17 with Amendment #1.The motion passed with a vote of 4-2-3.
Amendment 1

1 .        Line 3 through 7 :  Line 3 through 7
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2 .        Line 64 through 66 :  Line 64 through 66
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Yeas - 4Nays- 2Abs- 3
Sen. H. Balderree
Sen. B. Brammer
Sen. K. Cullimore
Sen. C. Musselman
Sen. L. Escamilla
Sen. S. Pitcher
Sen. L. Fillmore
Sen. M. McKell
Sen. T. Weiler
SUBSTITUTE MOTION:Sen. Escamilla moved to move to the next item on the agenda.The substitute motion passed with a vote of 5-0-4.
Yeas - 5Nays- 0Abs- 4
Sen. H. Balderree
Sen. B. Brammer
Sen. L. Escamilla
Sen. C. Musselman
Sen. S. Pitcher
Sen. K. Cullimore
Sen. L. Fillmore
Sen. M. McKell
Sen. T. Weiler
3.S.C.R. 4 Concurrent Resolution Fostering Social Connection and Establishing Utah Community Health Day (Brammer, B.)
Rep. Brammer presented the bill.
MOTION:Sen. Brammer moved to pass S.C.R. 4 out favorably.The motion passed with a vote of 6-0-3.
Yeas - 6Nays- 0Abs- 3
Sen. H. Balderree
Sen. B. Brammer
Sen. K. Cullimore
Sen. L. Escamilla
Sen. C. Musselman
Sen. S. Pitcher
Sen. L. Fillmore
Sen. M. McKell
Sen. T. Weiler
MOTION:Sen. Musselman moved to place S.C.R. 4 on the Consent Calendar.The motion passed with a vote of 6-0-3.
Yeas - 6Nays- 0Abs- 3
Sen. H. Balderree
Sen. B. Brammer
Sen. K. Cullimore
Sen. L. Escamilla
Sen. C. Musselman
Sen. S. Pitcher
Sen. L. Fillmore
Sen. M. McKell
Sen. T. Weiler
4.S.J.R. 9 Joint Resolution Amending Rules of Civil Procedure on Injunctions (Brammer, B.)
Rep. Brammer presented the bill.
Melarie Wheat, Mormon Women for Ethical Government, spoke in opposition to the bill.
Elizabeth Wright, Executive Director, Utah State Bar, spoke in opposition to the bill.
Sen. Musselman assumed the chair.
Teena Horlocker, resident, spoke in opposition to the bill.
MOTION:Sen. Brammer moved to pass S.J.R. 9 out favorably.The motion passed with a vote of 4-1-4.
Yeas - 4Nays- 1Abs- 4
Sen. H. Balderree
Sen. B. Brammer
Sen. K. Cullimore
Sen. C. Musselman
Sen. L. Escamilla
Sen. L. Fillmore
Sen. M. McKell
Sen. S. Pitcher
Sen. T. Weiler
5.1st Sub. H.B. 150 Emergency Communications Modifications (Shallenberger, D.)
Rep. Schallenberger presented the bill.
MOTION:Sen. Balderree moved to pass 1st Substitute H.B. 150 out favorably.The motion passed with a vote of 4-0-5.
Yeas - 4Nays- 0Abs- 5
Sen. H. Balderree
Sen. K. Cullimore
Sen. L. Escamilla
Sen. C. Musselman
Sen. B. Brammer
Sen. L. Fillmore
Sen. M. McKell
Sen. S. Pitcher
Sen. T. Weiler
6.2nd Sub. H.B. 209 Homeschool Amendments (Peck, N.)
Rep. Peck presented the bill with the assistance of Elizabeth Madrid attorney, Homeschool Legal Defense Association.
What Research Says About Public School, Private School, and Homeschool Child Abuse, Neglect, and Fatalities
MOTION:Sen. Escamilla moved to replace 2nd Substitute H.B. 209 with 3rd Substitute H.B. 209.The motion passed with a vote of 5-0-4.
Yeas - 5Nays- 0Abs- 4
Sen. H. Balderree
Sen. B. Brammer
Sen. K. Cullimore
Sen. L. Escamilla
Sen. C. Musselman
Sen. L. Fillmore
Sen. M. McKell
Sen. S. Pitcher
Sen. T. Weiler
MOTION:Sen. Escamilla moved to amend 3rd Substitute H.B. 209 with Amendment #1.The motion passed with a vote of 4-0-5.
Amendment 1

1 .        Line 7 through 9 :  Line 7 through 9
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2 .        Line 152 through 154 :  Line 152 through 154
152153154

3 .        Line 156 through 159 :  Line 156 through 159
156157158159
Yeas - 4Nays- 0Abs- 5
Sen. H. Balderree
Sen. B. Brammer
Sen. L. Escamilla
Sen. C. Musselman
Sen. K. Cullimore
Sen. L. Fillmore
Sen. M. McKell
Sen. S. Pitcher
Sen. T. Weiler
Sen. Weiler resumed the chair.
Nina Wolf, Board Member, U-Hope Coalition, spoke in favor of the bill.
Rachel Marshall, resident, spoke in opposition to the bill.
Caleb Jackson, Vice President, Utah Christian Home School Association, spoke in favor of the bill.
Roxanne Johnson, resident, spoke in opposition to the bill.
Kent Verboncoeur , President, Utah Home School Association, spoke in favor of the bill.
Eve Ettinger, Board Member, Coalition for Responsible Home Education, spoke in opposition to the bill.
Brooke Stephens, Civic Engagement Director, Utah Moms for America, spoke in favor of the bill.
Adelaide Hintz, resident, spoke in opposition to the bill.
MOTION:Sen. Balderree moved to pass 3rd Substitute H.B. 209 out favorably.The motion passed with a vote of 7-0-2.
Yeas - 7Nays- 0Abs- 2
Sen. H. Balderree
Sen. B. Brammer
Sen. K. Cullimore
Sen. L. Escamilla
Sen. M. McKell
Sen. C. Musselman
Sen. T. Weiler
Sen. L. Fillmore
Sen. S. Pitcher
7.S.B. 271 Unauthorized Artificial Intelligence Impersonation Amendments (McKell, M.)
Sen. McKell presented the bill.
MOTION:Sen. McKell moved to pass S.B. 271 out favorably.The motion passed with a vote of 4-0-5.
Yeas - 4Nays- 0Abs- 5
Sen. H. Balderree
Sen. M. McKell
Sen. C. Musselman
Sen. T. Weiler
Sen. B. Brammer
Sen. K. Cullimore
Sen. L. Escamilla
Sen. L. Fillmore
Sen. S. Pitcher
8.1st Sub. H.B. 255 Local Land Use Modifications (Chew, S.)
Rep. Chew presented the bill.
Sierra Nelson, Executive Director, Utah Wool Growers Association, spoke in favor of the bill.
MOTION:Sen. Musselman moved to pass 1st Substitute H.B. 255 out favorably.The motion passed with a vote of 3-0-6.
Yeas - 3Nays- 0Abs- 6
Sen. H. Balderree
Sen. C. Musselman
Sen. T. Weiler
Sen. B. Brammer
Sen. K. Cullimore
Sen. L. Escamilla
Sen. L. Fillmore
Sen. M. McKell
Sen. S. Pitcher
MOTION:Sen. Musselman moved to adjourn.The motion passed with a vote of 3-0-6.
Yeas - 3Nays- 0Abs- 6
Sen. H. Balderree
Sen. C. Musselman
Sen. T. Weiler
Sen. B. Brammer
Sen. K. Cullimore
Sen. L. Escamilla
Sen. L. Fillmore
Sen. M. McKell
Sen. S. Pitcher
Chair Weiler adjourned the meeting at 6:09 p.m..
NOTE: S.B. 0175 was not discussed in the meeting.