MINUTES OF THE
JUDICIARY INTERIM COMMITTEE
Tuesday, September 16, 2025 • 1:15 p.m. • 20 House Building


Members Present:
Sen. Todd Weiler, Chair
Rep. Karianne Lisonbee, Chair
Sen. Heidi Balderree
Sen. Brady Brammer
Sen. Luz Escamilla
Rep. Nelson T. Abbott
Rep. Cheryl K. Acton
Rep. Tiara Auxier
Rep. Tyler Clancy
Rep. Stephanie Gricius
Rep. Anthony E. Loubet
Rep. Verona Mauga
Rep. Grant Amjad Miller

Members Absent:
Sen. Kirk A. Cullimore
Rep. A. Cory Maloy
Rep. Jason E. Thompson

Staff Present:
Jonathan Adams, Policy Analyst
Jacqueline Carlton, Senior Associate General Counsel
Paige Nelson, Associate General Counsel
Naomi Garrow, Administrative Assistant

Note: A copy of related materials and an audio recording of the meeting can be found at www.le.utah.gov.

Chair Lisonbee called the meeting to order at 1:18 p.m.
1.Draft Legislation: "Joint Resolution Amending Rules of Evidence Concerning Crimes or Other Acts"
2 - Bill Analysis (Office of Legislative Research and General Counsel)
2 - Draft Legislation "Joint Resolution Amending Rules of Evidence Concerning Crimes or Other Acts" (V009)
2 - Letter of Support (Paul Cassell)
Rep. Clancy presented and answered questions from the committee.
Chair Lisonbee opened public comment.
Richard Mauro, Salt Lake Legal Defender Association, spoke in opposition of the draft legislation.
Craig Peterson, Director, Justice Division, Attorney General's Office, spoke in favor of the draft legislation.
Mark Moffat, Utah Defense Association, spoke in opposition to the draft legislation and answered questions from the committee.
Adam Pomeroy, Special Victims Prosecutor, Utah County, spoke in favor of the draft legislation and answered questions from the committee.
Paul Cassell, Professor, S.J. Quinney College of Law at the University of Utah, spoke in favor of the draft legislation.
Ryan McBride, Utah County Attorney's Office, spoke in favor of the draft legislation.
Kimberly Bernhardt, Constituent, spoke in favor of the draft legislation.
Jessica Black, Utah Mental Health Association, spoke in favor of the draft legislation.
Chair Lisonbee closed public comment.
MOTION:Rep. Clancy moved to favorably recommend draft legislation "Joint Resolution Amending Rules of Evidence Concerning Crimes or Other Acts."
Discussion to the motion.
Rep. Clancy's motion to favorably recommend Draft Legislation "Joint Resolution Amending Rules of Evidence Concerning Crimes or Other Acts,"passed with a vote 10-2-4.
Yeas - 10Nays- 2Abs- 4
Rep. N. Abbott
Rep. C. Acton
Rep. T. Auxier
Sen. H. Balderree
Sen. B. Brammer
Rep. T. Clancy
Sen. L. Escamilla
Rep. S. Gricius
Rep. K. Lisonbee
Rep. A. Loubet
Rep. G. Miller
Sen. T. Weiler
Sen. K. Cullimore
Rep. A. Maloy
Rep. V. Mauga
Rep. J. Thompson
2.Committee Business
MOTION:Sen. Escamilla moved to approve the minutes of the August 20, 2025, meeting.The motion passed with a vote of 11-0-5.
Yeas - 11Nays- 0Abs- 5
Rep. C. Acton
Rep. T. Auxier
Sen. H. Balderree
Sen. B. Brammer
Rep. T. Clancy
Sen. L. Escamilla
Rep. S. Gricius
Rep. K. Lisonbee
Rep. A. Loubet
Rep. G. Miller
Sen. T. Weiler
Rep. N. Abbott
Sen. K. Cullimore
Rep. A. Maloy
Rep. V. Mauga
Rep. J. Thompson
3.Draft Legislation: "Juvenile Justice Amendments"
3 - Draft Legislation "Juvenile Justice Amendments" (V008)
3 - Juvenile Justice in Utah (OLRGC)
3 - Juvenile Justice Amendments Presentation (Rep. Peck)
Rep. Peck presented and answered questions from the committee.
3 - Juvenile Justice in Utah (OLRGC)
Jacob Jensen, Constituent, spoke in favor of the draft legislation.
Committee discussion.
Chair Lisonbee opened public comment.
Pam Vickrey, Executive Director, Utah Juvenile Defender Attorneys, spoke to the bill and answered questions from the committee.
Maryann Christensen, Executive Director, Utah Legislative Watch, spoke in favor of the draft legislation.
Mark Moffat spoke in opposition of the draft legislation.
Jon England, Libertas Institute, spoke in opposition of the draft legislation.
Chair Lisonbee closed public comment.
Committee discussion.
MOTION:Rep. Auxier moved to amend the bill to require that a School Resource Officer is present if a student is being searched.
Discussion to the motion.
Rep. Auxier's motion to amend the bill to require that a School Resource Officer is present if a student is being searched.passed with a vote 10-2-4.
Yeas - 10Nays- 2Abs- 4
Rep. N. Abbott
Rep. C. Acton
Rep. T. Auxier
Sen. H. Balderree
Rep. T. Clancy
Rep. S. Gricius
Rep. K. Lisonbee
Rep. A. Loubet
Rep. V. Mauga
Sen. T. Weiler
Sen. L. Escamilla
Rep. G. Miller
Sen. B. Brammer
Sen. K. Cullimore
Rep. A. Maloy
Rep. J. Thompson
MOTION:Rep. Auxier moved to favorably recommend draft legislation "Juvenile Justice Amendments" as amended.
Discussion to the motion.
Rep. Auxier's motion to favorably recommend draft legislation "Juvenile Justice Amendments," as amended,failed with a vote 8-4-4.
Yeas - 8Nays- 4Abs- 4
Rep. N. Abbott
Rep. C. Acton
Rep. T. Auxier
Sen. H. Balderree
Rep. T. Clancy
Rep. S. Gricius
Rep. K. Lisonbee
Rep. A. Loubet
Sen. L. Escamilla
Rep. V. Mauga
Rep. G. Miller
Sen. T. Weiler
Sen. B. Brammer
Sen. K. Cullimore
Rep. A. Maloy
Rep. J. Thompson
4.Draft Legislation: "Correctional Facility Capacity Amendments"
4 - Draft Legislation "Correctional Facility Capacity Amendments" (V004)
Rep. Abbott assumed the chair.
Chair Lisonbee presented.
MOTION:Rep. Gricius moved to favorably recommend draft legislation "Correctional Facility Capacity Amendments."The motion passed with a vote of 11-0-5.
Yeas - 11Nays- 0Abs- 5
Rep. N. Abbott
Rep. C. Acton
Sen. H. Balderree
Rep. T. Clancy
Sen. L. Escamilla
Rep. S. Gricius
Rep. K. Lisonbee
Rep. A. Loubet
Rep. V. Mauga
Rep. G. Miller
Sen. T. Weiler
Rep. T. Auxier
Sen. B. Brammer
Sen. K. Cullimore
Rep. A. Maloy
Rep. J. Thompson
Rep. Lisonbee resumed the chair.
5.Draft Legislation: "Public Land Access Amendments"
5 - Draft Legislation "Public Land Access Amendments" (V003)
Rep. Abbott presented and answered questions from the committee.
Chair Lisonbee opened public comment.
Jeremiah Cornia, Constituent, spoke in opposition of the draft legislation.
Mark Allen, Protect and Preserve American Fork Canyon, spoke in favor of the draft legislation.
Josh Cornia, Oxylus, spoke in opposition.
Justin Shannon, Utah Division of Wildlife Resources, spoke in favor of the draft legislation.
Rep. Shallenberger spoke in opposition of the draft legislation.
Willie Holdman, Constituent, spoke in opposition to the draft legislation.
Tina Bean, Constituent, spoke in opposition to the draft legislation.
Chair Lisonbee closed public comment.
Committee discussion.
MOTION:Rep. Acton moved to favorably recommend draft legislation "Public Land Access Amendments."
Discussion to the motion.
Rep. Acton's motion to favorably recommend draft legislation "Public Land Access Amendments."passed with a vote 9-3-4.
Yeas - 9Nays- 3Abs- 4
Rep. N. Abbott
Rep. C. Acton
Rep. T. Auxier
Sen. H. Balderree
Rep. T. Clancy
Rep. K. Lisonbee
Rep. A. Loubet
Rep. V. Mauga
Sen. T. Weiler
Sen. L. Escamilla
Rep. S. Gricius
Rep. G. Miller
Sen. B. Brammer
Sen. K. Cullimore
Rep. A. Maloy
Rep. J. Thompson
6.Other Items/Adjourn
MOTION:Rep. Gricius moved to adjourn.The motion passed with a vote of 12-0-4.
Yeas - 12Nays- 0Abs- 4
Rep. N. Abbott
Rep. C. Acton
Rep. T. Auxier
Sen. H. Balderree
Rep. T. Clancy
Sen. L. Escamilla
Rep. S. Gricius
Rep. K. Lisonbee
Rep. A. Loubet
Rep. V. Mauga
Rep. G. Miller
Sen. T. Weiler
Sen. B. Brammer
Sen. K. Cullimore
Rep. A. Maloy
Rep. J. Thompson
Chair Lisonbee adjourned the meeting at 3:53 p.m.