Regulatory Barriers to Affordable Housing Task Force
Members Present:
Sen. Robert F. Montgomery, Co-chair
Rep. Ron Bigelow, Co-chair
Sen. L. Alma "Al" Mansell
Rep. Eli H. Anderson
Rep. Wayne A. Harper
Comm. Gayle Aldred
Mr. Gary R. Crane
Mr. Richard Moffatt
Mr. Paul Neuenschwander
Mr. Jack Nixon
Members Absent:
Sen. Pete Suazo
Staff Present:
Joseph Wade,
Research Analyst
Robert H. Rees,
Associate General Counsel
Barbara A. Teuscher,
Committee Secretary
Note: A list of others present and copies of materials distributed in the meeting are on file in the Office of Legislative Research and General Counsel.
1. Welcome and Introductions - Chair Montgomery welcomed the public and asked task force members to introduce themselves and explain their interests in the subject of the task force.
2. Task Force Bill and Procedures - Mr. Wade distributed a handout of the duties of the task force and explained the Legislature's charge to the task force.
Chair Montgomery said that as difficult as the problem is, the goal of the task force is to come up with a solution to this issue and ultimately develop legislation. He indicated that it might take another meeting to deal with specific issues before the task force develops legislation.
3. Stake Holder Perspectives - The primary stake holders explained perspectives to the following questions:
_ What is the problem we are trying to solve?
_ What is the extent of the problem?
_ What is affordable housing (level of income)?
_ What drives the cost of housing beyond affordable housing?
_ What can be done to keep costs down?
_ How are the stake holders impacted?
_ What should be the objectives/outcome of the task force?
Mr. Thorne, Home Builder and President, Home Builders Association of Utah, distributed a handout and discussed hidden impact fees included in costs charged to cities. Mr. Thorne said as a builder he sees hidden costs being passed onto our children. There is
approximately $5,000 that has been put into structural items that were not there five years ago.
Rep. Biglow expressed concerns regarding affordable housing and how the stock of
affordable homes is maintained from this point forward once the stock is established.
Sen. Mansell said as long as a person's ongoing new stock stays down in price the old
stock does not increase because of competition.
Chair Montgomery asked Mr. Thorne to prepare for the next meeting a cost break down
of all regulatory costs in building a house, along with other increased construction costs due to
regulatory requirements. Rep. Biglow requested Mr. Thorne to break out the costs due to
inflation. Mr. Crane asked to include a breakdown of what it costs to build a house.
Mr. Steve Erickson, Director, Utah Housing Technical Assistance Program, distributed
handouts of the affordability index and adjusted income limits. He explained the importance of
the task force looking at the context of regulatory environment. He explained the affordability
index and adjusted income limits. In summarizing, Mr. Erickson said we hope the state, in time,
can move toward an understanding of a regional fair share approach to the burden of affordable
housing.
Mr. Nixon requested for Mr. Erickson to come back and report on what percentage of
people in the state cannot afford housing and how it compares with the number of available units.
In addition, the number of people that are living in homes today that cannot afford the home they
are living in as a result of their income.
Mr. Dan Lofgren, Home Builders Association of Utah, commented on Mr. Thorne's
presentation. He indicated that many impacts Mr. Thorne discussed had nothing to do with
affordability. It was the cities way of reacting to growth. His solution is going to a cooperative
effort and indicated that there are tradeoffs being made that are unwise. Mr. Lofgren said on a
national basis his association has estimated that antiquated provisions of the code may add as
much as 20% to the cost of a home.
Mr. Tom Godfrey, Council Member, Salt Lake City, and Member of the Utah League of
Cities and Towns, discussed the extensiveness of the problem. He indicated for some people
affordablity could be accomplished. Mr. Godfrey referred to the issue of mixed housing and its
advantages and explained the stigma to affordable housing. In his summation, Mr. Godfrey
expressed the league's concerns regarding the task force.
Mr. William H. Erickson, Executive Director, Utah Housing Finance Agency, distributed
handouts from which he gave his presentation. Using visual aids, he highlighted some of the
ideas. He noted that Utah's housing problem is not just one problem but is a series of very
distinct housing problems. Each problem requires a different approach, different problematic
characteristics, and different financing approaches to solve them. He said he would like to
prepare a resolution to be presented to the committee.
Public Comment followed:
Ms. Margaret Malherbe, Utah Association of Realtors, shared a practical example of two
other barriers to fair housing: 1) salaries in Utah are not keeping up with the rise of housing
costs; and 2) mortgage lending laws.
Ms. Karen Silver, Salt Lake Community Action Program, encouraged the committee to
look at the recommendations of the governor's Housing Task Force. The idea of the trickling
down concept and maintaining the quality of unites we have now does not always work.
Ms. Annie Boone, Jedi Women, discussed barriers for public subsidized housing being
funded through low income housing tax credits and those individuals who are in need of help not
being able to qualify.
Ms. Whitney Rourke, Utah Issues, said that home ownership is not the American dream.
Chair Montgomery indicated that Sen. Mansell brought this bill up specifically referable
to the regulatory barriers to affordable housing. This task force cannot address all of the issues.
The committee has a specific charge to look at regulatory barriers. If the task force limits its
efforts to this area, more time can be spent on the specific issue we are charged to study. He
asked Mr. Erickson to draft a resolution for the next meeting.
4. Task Force Round Table
Committee members discussed specific issues they would like to address at the next committee meeting.
5. Future Meeting Dates
The next meeting will be held Tuesday, August 19 at 9:00 a.m.
6. Adjourn
The chair adjourned the meeting at 12:12 p.m.
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