Information Technology Commission
INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY COMMISSION
July 17, 1997 - 1:30 p.m.- Room 403, State Capitol
Sen. David H. Steele, Chair
Rep. Blake d. Chard, Chair
Sen. Scott N. Howell
Sen. Craig L. Taylor
Rep. Brent H. Goodfellow
Rep. Martin Stephens
Mr. Cliff L. Ames
Mr. Peter r. Genereaux
Ms. Nancy Gibbs
Mr. Robert W. Hood
Judge Norman H. Jackson
Ms. Eileen B. Longsworth
Mr. David A. Packer
Dr. Mike Petersen
Mr. Gordon A. Peterson
Members Absent:
Mr. Gerald R. Capps
Mr. Randall G. Harmsen
Dr. Ned Hill
Mr. Stephen F. Mecham
Mr. Leon Miller
Mr. Jerry P. Peterson
Staff Present:
Mr. Richard North,
Executive Director
Ms. Tani Pack Downing,
Associate General Counsel
Ms. Wendy Bangerter,
Committee Secretary
Note: A list of others present and a copy of materials distributed in the meeting is on file in the Office of Legislative Research and General Counsel.
1. Call to order - Committee Business - Chairman Steele called the meeting to order at 1:40 p.m.
MOTION: Ms. Nancy Gibbs made a motion to approve the minutes of June 26, 1997 as amended. The motion passed unanimously.
2. Data Privacy in Health
Katie Kendall, Legislative Research and General Counsel, distributed a summary of her presentation and provided a slide show regarding privacy in medical records, current federal law, current Utah law, pending legislation and some recommendations for safeguarding medical information. Ms. Kendall also reviewed penalties for revealing information under Utah law. (See handout)
The Commission discussed the inaccessibility of one's own medical records, how an individual's health and medical records are used, and the pending federal legislation. They also discussed the need to inform and educate the public, and they considered the question of balance
in government regulation, as well as the use of social security numbers for identification.
Richard North, Executive Director, Information Technology Commission, explained that
the plan for the Commission meetings has been to break the issue of privacy into four sections.
After reviewing the existing market presumption, he noted, they would attempt to identify the
issues and present the Commission with some recommendations for legislation.
Reed Gardner, Chair of University of Utah's Department of Medical Information, briefed
the Commission on the global direction privacy in medical information is taking. He distributed
a handout and reviewed how physicians are using technology to access a patient's data, noting
that with the exception of psychiatric data, care givers have access to a patient's data at the
bedside. He reviewed an audit trail that indicated how and who accesses a patient's data. He
reviewed the Kennedy-Kassebaum bill that is being considered on a national level. He reviewed
pro's and con's of the bill. He explained a privacy agreement that is being used, and will soon be
required for all employees to sign regarding confidentiality. He recommended the Legislature
not make rules for computer records because they are more secure than the paper records. He
also recommended giving the federal government another nine months to see if they can pass
legislation which would be more effective than regulation from Health and Human Services. If
not, he emphasized Utah will need to address the issue.
3.
Internet Data Privacy Web Site Demonstration
Richard North electronically presented some web sites on the Internet that collect a
variety of information about people and businesses. He explained that, for a cost, anyone can
find any information about anyone on the web. He demonstrated how data is gathered through
credit cards, personal checks, and "cookies" and then sold to another entity. He noted the
government sector is more regulated than the private sector.
4.
Utah: An Information Technology Freeport/Taxation of Telecommunications
Peter Genereaux, Utah Information Technology Association (UITA), asked the
Commission to reaffirm the recommendation made last December to the Tax Review
Commission (TRC) and to the Public Utilities and Technology Interim Committee(PUT) to:
1.
Not extend sales tax to those telecommunication services for which presently sales taxes are not levied, e.g., interstate long distance; and
2.
Remove sales taxes from existing telecommunication services for which they are presently being sales taxed, e.g., intrastate long distance.
Mr. Genereaux indicated that "both consumers and business users throughout the state
would be significant beneficiaries."
Rep. Chard clarified Mr. Genereaux's request that the Tax Review Commission continue
to study the impact of those recommendations.
Gary Cornia, Chairman of the Tax Review Commission, addressed the Public Utilities
and Technology Interim Committee on June 18, 1997 and reviewed recommendations of the
TRC a year ago. The recommendation was that the Legislature should take no action on any
form of telecommunication taxation for the foreseeable future because of the national initiatives
that are pending.
Sen. Steele commented he supported this Commission's recommendation last year for no
taxes during the '97' General Session, but this year he is more interested in seeing what the
federal level initiative will be and then respond to that.
As Mr. Genereaux concluded, there is confusion about sales tax on the use and access to
telecommunications and the sales tax of electronic transactions. He emphasized UITA is not
advocating not collecting taxes on transactions, but is advocating no taxes on the access to and
use of telecommunication services.
Rep. Chard indicated that November is the time when the legislators look for a
convergence of the recommendations from the various committees, commissions, and task
forces. He suggested this Commission may want to take action on this recommendation in the
October or November meeting.
Mr. Hood expressed concern that the voice of the Commission be made known to the
Legislature; and if there is a feeling that the information is not yet available, he would support
waiting. He went on record as saying, "provided it became a tabled matter and that it is
considered before the November meeting of this Commission and action is taken."
Mr. Ames suggested that the claims of benefits be validated when this issue is presented
to the Legislature.
Mr. Genereaux indicated that this issue should be the subject of an impact study done by
the TRC. However, the TRC, at this time, has not yet studied this issue even after the
recommendation of this Commission.
Rep. Chard indicated this issue will be put on the October or November agenda.
4.
What Is the State Policy Regarding Information Access?
Jeff Johnson, Director of Archives, gave an overview of the Government Records Access
and Management Act (RAMA) and the Utah State Archives and Records Service. He stated the
two goals of the GRAMA: 1) to provide guidelines to government agencies about access to their
records; and 2) management of those records. He then reviewed the history of the GRAMA.
Gordon Peterson reviewed the sharing of information between agencies. The feeling is
that if the state is in error, the error is in trying to protect privacy.
Tim Shea, Court Administrator's Office, distributed and reviewed a memo and reports
produced by his office. He noted they have developed policies over the last few years to protect
the privacy of individuals. He indicated their progress toward video recordings. He also
indicated the present policy of the office is that a judge has discretion to select an audio or video
or written report.
Doug Bates, Office of Education, reviewed the different types of records they store, how
they are archived and accessed, and by whom. He also reviewed the sources of information. He
explained that once his office has touched a record, it becomes a state record, which he does not
feel is wise. The districts are urged to keep records that may become important in litigation, etc.,
he noted.
Rep. Chard indicated this problem should go before another committee and this
Commission should not make a recommendation regarding Mr. Bates' issue.
Dr. Mike Peterson, Board of Regents, distributed a memorandum that reviewed the
Higher Education Data Information Task Force recommendations. He referred to the principles
that should underlie the provision of information within the system of higher education. He also
referred to core-data elements that higher education wants to have readily available and reviewed
the State Board of Education information management policy adopted in November of 1996.
The Commission rescheduled the next meeting for August 27, 1997 at 1:30 p.m.
MOTION: Mr. Genereaux moved to adjourn the meeting. The motion was passed by unanimous vote.
The meeting was adjourned at 4:30 p.m.
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