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    MINUTES OF THE HOUSE
LAW ENFORCEMENT AND CRIMINAL JUSTICE STANDING COMMITTEE
State Capitol -- Room 225
February 11, 2004

Members Present:    Rep. DeMar "Bud Bowman, Chair
            Rep. Douglas C. Aagard, Vice Chair
            Rep. Duane Bourdeaux
            Rep. LaVar F. Christensen
            Rep. Brad L. Dee            
            Rep. Patricia W. Jones
            Rep. Wayne A Harper            
            Rep. David Litvak            
            Rep. Peggy Wallace
            Rep. R. Curt Webb

Members Absent:    Rep. Michael T. Morley

Staff Present:    Ms. Jami Momberger, Policy Analyst
            Ms. Linda Error, Committee Secretary

note: A list of visitors and a copy of handouts are filed with the committee minutes.

Rep. Bowman called the meeting to order at 8:10 a.m.

MOTION:     Rep. Wallace moved to approve the minutes of the February 9, 2004 meeting.         The motion passed unanimously, with Rep. Christensen, Rep. Dee, and Rep.         Jones absent for the vote.

H.B. 164    Nonresident Tuition Waiver for National Guard Members (Rep. B. King)

MOTION:    Rep. Aagard moved to delete in title and body H.B. 164 and replace it with 1st         Substitute H.B. 164. The motion passed unanimously, with Rep. Bourdeaux,         Rep. Christensen, Rep. Dee, and Rep. Jones absent for the vote.

Rep. King explained the bill.

MOTION:    Rep. Harper moved to pass the bill out favorably. The motion passed              unanimously, with Rep. Bourdeaux, Rep. Christensen, Rep. Dee, and Rep. Jones         absent for the vote.

MOTION:    Rep. Litvak moved that 1st Substitute H.B.164 be placed on the consent              calendar. The motion passed unanimously, with Rep. Bourdeaux, Rep.              Christensen, Rep. Dee, and Rep. Jones absent for the vote.    


Rep. Bowman relinquished the chair to Rep. Aagard.

H.B. 169    Mail Theft Amendments (Rep. M. Thompson)

Rep. Bowman explained the bill, assisted by Ron Gordon, Utah Sentencing Commission.

MOTION:     Rep. Wallace moved to pass the bill out favorably. The motion passed              unanimously, with Rep. Christensen, Rep. Dee, and Rep. Jones absent for the         vote.

MOTION:    Rep. Webb moved that H. B. 169 be placed on the consent calendar. The motion         passed unanimously, with Rep. Christensen and Rep. Jones absent for the vote.

Rep. Bowman resumed the chair.

H.B. 121    Code of Criminal Procedure Amendments (Rep. J. Seitz)

Rep. Seitz explained the bill, assisted by Mark Nash, Utah Prosecution Council.

MOTION:    Rep. Litvak moved to amend the bill as follows:

1.    Page 2, Lines 54 through 56 :    

             54          (b) if no plea in abeyance fee is collected,
[[   the prosecuting authority shall assess and

             55      collect   ]] a surcharge on the fee charged for the traffic school or other school, class, or
             56      rehabilitative program
  shall be collected       , which surcharge shall:


The motion to amend passed unanimously, with Rep. Christensen and Rep. Jones absent for the vote.

Spoke for the bill:        Ken Wallentine, Utah Peace Officers Association
                Steve Garcetti, Layton City
                Dan Davis, Crime Victims Reparations Program
                Rich Schwermer, Administrative Office of the Courts

Spoke against the bill:    Ryan Mecham, Sandy City

MOTION:    Rep. Bourdeaux moved to pass the bill out favorably as amended. The motion         passed, with Rep. Harper voting in opposition and Rep. Jones and Rep. Webb         absent for the vote.


H.B. 165    Child Protection Registry (Rep. M. Styler)

Rep. Styler explained the bill, assisted by Pat Shea ,attorney, and Mark Shurtliff, Attorney General.

MOTION:    Rep. Bourdeaux moved to pass the bill out favorably. The motion passed              unanimously, with Rep Jones absent for the vote.

S.B. 137    Interstate Compact for Adult Offender Supervision - Application Fee (Sen. K. Hale)

Sen. Hale explained the bill.

MOTION:    Rep. Bourdeaux moved to pass the bill out favorably. The motion passed              unanimously, with Rep. Jones and Rep. Webb absent for the vote.

MOTION:    Rep. Harper moved that S. B. 137 be placed on the consent calendar. The motion         passed unanimously, with Rep. Jones and Rep. Webb absent for the vote.

H.B. 166    Concealed Firearm Permit Amendments (Rep. D. Hogue)

Rep. Hogue explained the bill.

Rep. Wallace moved to amend the bill as follows:

1.    Page 2, Lines 30 through 35 :    

             30          (1) (a) The division or its designated agent shall issue a permit to carry a concealed
             31      firearm for lawful self defense to an applicant who is 21 years of age or older:
             32          (i) within 60 days after receiving an application [and];
  and      

             33          (ii) upon proof that the [person applying] applicant is of good character
[[   [   ]] .      [[   ]   ]]      [[   ; and

             34          (iii) after the applicant provides evidence of general familiarity with the type of firearm
             35      to be concealed pursuant to Subsection (7).   ]]

2.    Page 3, Line 80 through Page 4, Line 90 :    

             80          [(6)] (5) Except as provided in Subsection [(7)] (6), the [licensing authority] division
             81      shall also require the applicant to provide:

* * * Some lines not shown * * *

             86          (e) a five-year employment history;
[[   and   ]]

             87          (f) a five-year residential history
[[   [   ]] ; and      [[   ]   ]]      [[   .   ]]

             88          
[[   [   ]] (g) evidence of general familiarity with the types of firearms to be concealed as

             89      defined in Subsection (8).
[[   ]   ]]


3.    Page 4, Lines 93 through 105 :    

             93          [(8)] (7) (a) General familiarity with the
[[   [   ]] types      [[   ]   ]]      [[   type   ]] of      [[   [   ]] firearms      [[   ]   ]]      [[   firearm   ]] to be

             94      concealed includes training in:
             95          (i) the safe loading, unloading,
[[   [   ]] storage,      [[   ]   ]]      [[   firing, securing, storing, caring for and

             96      maintaining of,   ]] and carrying of the
[[   [   ]] types      [[   ]   ]]      [[   type   ]] of      [[   [   ]] firearms      [[   ]   ]]      [[   firearm   ]] to be concealed; and

             97          (ii) current
[[   criminal and civil   ]] laws defining lawful use of a firearm by a private citizen,

             98      including lawful self-defense,
[[   judgmental shooting,   ]] use of force by a private citizen including

             99      use of deadly force, transportation, and concealment.
             100          (b) Evidence of general familiarity with the
[[   [   ]] types      [[   ]   ]]      [[   type   ]] of      [[   [   ]] firearms      [[   ]   ]]      [[   firearm   ]] to be

             101      concealed [may be] is satisfied by one of the following:
* * * Some lines not shown * * *

             104          (ii) certification of an applicant's general familiarity with the
[[   type   ]]        types       of firearm to be

             105      concealed by a person who has been certified by the division, which may include a law

4.    Page 5, Lines 122 through 123 :    

             122          (c) failed to provide the instruction required for a student to obtain general familiarity
             123      with a firearm required under
[[   this section   ]]        Subsection (7)(b)(i)       .


The motion to amend passed unanimously, with Rep. Jones absent for the vote.



Spoke for the bill:        Brian Judy, National Rifle Association
                Elwood Powell, Chairman, Utah Shooting Sports Council

Spoke against the bill:    Marla Kennedy, Executive Director, Gun Violence Council of                 Utah

MOTION:    Rep. Christensen moved to pass the bill out favorably as amended. The motion         passed unanimously.

MOTION:    Rep. Wallace moved to adjourn the meeting. The motion passed unanimously.

Rep. Bowman adjourned the meeting at 9:25 a.m.













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                        Rep. DeMar "Bud" Bowman, Chair